Immigration and Asylum (7 Viewers)

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-11-21T16:46:21+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
It is stopping the boats… just in the Med versus the Channel. Of course we should do both.

Stopping them in the Channel requires France to step up and stop them taking off, but this is familiar ground from what we've discussed before.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-11-21T16:53:19+0000

fatso said:
The difference being that pensioners have built the country and created the wealth that provides the money that's in the system.

Where as welfare claimants have contributed absolutely nothing.
Some through no fault of their own, and we should support them, but theres plenty of work shy lazy cunts who have no intention of contributing anything.

Proof please.

Prove that all the pensioners have created the wealth that provides the money in the system. Given the sums that were done on people's life expectancy and how much they would need to set aside to cover their retirement anyone around or above the age of 80 will have already used up their own contributions from their working life and not be a drain on the economy. And those calculations didn't visualise the massive need for health and social care many of those people would need as they'd spend around 10 years in very poor health. And that's of course assuming all pensioners worked throughout their life paying into the system, which won't be the case.

Then prove that all welfare claimants have contributed nothing. (JK Rowling says hello)

They're nothing but lazy assumptions based on class warfare. Rich people were more likely to be old so we shouldn't blame the old. Poor people are more likely to need welfare payouts (because they haven't got a family that can just pay it off for them) so we should blame them.

Mucca Mad Boys · 2025-11-21T16:55:23+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Stopping them in the Channel requires France to step up and stop them taking off, but this is familiar ground from what we've discussed before.

That is what Australia did. Like our current policy, they tried paying Indonesia to stop the boats and they weren’t doing it because it’s not in their interest to. So they started turning boats back and escorted them all the way to Indonesia.

It caused a diplomatic ruckus and no doubt this policy would. Ultimately, the UK has a right to defend its territory.

It is practical, there’s a blueprint in place and we’re not the only country to has experienced an asylum crisis via small boats.

Australia’s policy was successful. Paying the French, ‘1 in, 1 out’, ‘safe and legal routes’ do not stop the issue.

If the French want to play ping pong with migrant boats in the Channel, so be it. France will never stop 30-50k refugees leaving their shores every year if they know Britain will pick the tab.

fatso · 2025-11-21T17:03:42+0000

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Proof please.

Prove that all the pensioners have created the wealth that provides the money in the system. Given the sums that were done on people's life expectancy and how much they would need to set aside to cover their retirement anyone around or above the age of 80 will have already used up their own contributions from their working life and not be a drain on the economy. And those calculations didn't visualise the massive need for health and social care many of those people would need as they'd spend around 10 years in very poor health. And that's of course assuming all pensioners worked throughout their life paying into the system, which won't be the case.

Then prove that all welfare claimants have contributed nothing. (JK Rowling says hello)

They're nothing but lazy assumptions based on class warfare. Rich people were more likely to be old so we shouldn't blame the old. Poor people are more likely to need welfare payouts (because they haven't got a family that can just pay it off for them) so we should blame them.

This has to be the most rediculous post on here! Are you deliberately wumming?

You clearly have absolutely no idea how the economy functions.

Mucca Mad Boys · 2025-11-21T17:08:47+0000

fatso said:
This has to be the most rediculous post on here! Are you deliberately wumming?

You clearly have absolutely no idea how the economy functions.

Deliberately wumming.

PVA · 2025-11-21T17:17:11+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Albania is a safe country…

1 in 5 of the Albanian population in the UK is in jail, it’s clearly linked to organised crime and praying upon useful idiots to defend this.

All of that is irrelevant.

You can't get on a plane to claim asylum.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-11-21T17:21:15+0000

Mucca Mad Boys said:
That is what Australia did. Like our current policy, they tried paying Indonesia to stop the boats and they weren’t doing it because it’s not in their interest to. So they started turning boats back and escorted them all the way to Indonesia.

It caused a diplomatic ruckus and no doubt this policy would. Ultimately, the UK has a right to defend its territory.

It is practical, there’s a blueprint in place and we’re not the only country to has experienced an asylum crisis via small boats.

Australia’s policy was successful. Paying the French, ‘1 in, 1 out’, ‘safe and legal routes’ do not stop the issue.

If the French want to play ping pong with migrant boats in the Channel, so be it. France will never stop 30-50k refugees leaving their shores every year if they know Britain will pick the tab.

What matters to me on this issue is that human trafficking stops and that vulnerable people are able to make asylum claims in the safest possible way. The problem as I've said before is that no country in Europe, including ourselves, seems interested in a group effort to process claims either near the common points of entry or elsewhere. Instead they all want to fob people off somewhere else and hope the problem goes away.

Then eventually it becomes their problem anyway.

fatso · 2025-11-21T17:29:27+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
What matters to me on this issue is that human trafficking stops and that vulnerable people are able to make asylum claims in the safest possible way. The problem as I've said before is that no country in Europe, including ourselves, seems interested in a group effort to process claims either near the common points of entry or elsewhere. Instead they all want to fob people off somewhere else and hope the problem goes away.

Then eventually it becomes their problem anyway.

But bearing in mind political leaders only stay in office for 2 or 3 years anyway, its not going to be their problem, they are more than happy to kick the can down the road.

Captain Dart · 2025-11-21T17:46:22+0000

PVA said:
You can't get on a plane to claim asylum.

Of course you can. This is true even if some people who want to claim asylum are prevented from getting on a plane.

PVA · 2025-11-21T18:11:36+0000

Captain Dart said:
Of course you can. This is true even if some people who want to claim asylum are prevented from getting on a plane.

You can't. Not legally anyway.

Grendel · 2025-11-21T19:05:26+0000

PVA said:
You can't. Not legally anyway.

You cant legally on a boat either

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