Fair enough, it was SBT that was referencing the ‘workhouse’ and therefore, thought you were echoing that sentiment.It was a joke. Are we not allowed any humour on here amongst the many arguments?
Good that you think my wife is pulling a con with a visual impairment G
An important correction there.Another hack on BBC QT claiming some asylum seekers are ‘doctors, nurses, engineers and scientists’…
If we’re being honest, the chances are that small boat migrants are delivering takeaways, living on the welfare state than being doctors, nurses engineers or scientists.An important correction there.
She didn’t mention small boats once was my point. But let’s suppose she did, some of them will be skilled workers.If we’re being honest, the chances are that small boat migrants are delivering takeaways, living on the welfare state than being doctors, nurses engineers or scientists.
She’s using a trope to avoid difficult questions.
Do you have a %?She didn’t mention small boats once was my point. But let’s suppose she did, some of them will be skilled workers.
Again coming back to these attempts at smearing everyone in an unsavoury fashion and that if they all just fucked off we’d have a land of milk and honey.
Well if you ignore everyone who is skilled, yes they are all unskilled. The thing is that I'm actually largely with you on what a successful immigration and asylum policy/outcome would look like, I just dislike the smearing that goes on.Do you have a %?
The vast majority will be unskilled economic migrants. Thats the reality and just because less than 1% of them may be doctors does not justify people like this comedian parroting this phrase.
IIRC, the other day you were questioning who even says ‘doctors, nurses, engineers and scientists’ and yet, when presented with a few examples the conversation turns to ‘well some are so it’s not wrong’.
At best, we have around 2k refugee doctors (with qualifications) in total. So it’s fair to say that less than 1% of asylum seekers will be doctors in a given year.
So yeah, I’m tired of idiots like Zoe Lyons misleading the public.
The thing about conventions is that they’re not laws… you don’t actually have follow them. If we have to suspend or leave conventions to achieve the political goals, so be it.Well if you ignore everyone who is skilled, yes they are all unskilled. The thing is that I'm actually largely with you on what a successful immigration and asylum policy/outcome would look like, I just dislike the smearing that goes on.
She even joined in on the 'get rid of them if they come here illegally' line which breaches the refugee convention, but apparently that's not enough.
I know we don't...but there's a process to go through in order to leave which we haven't yet, so what she's saying is we should break our word on something we claim to uphold.The thing about conventions is that they’re not laws… you don’t actually have follow them. If we have to suspend or leave conventions to achieve the political goals, so be it.
What’s the % of skilled workers who are asylum seekers?
Post-Brexit, only around 5% of arrivals were skilled workers so I’m deeply sceptical that figure is higher for people who arrive illegally.
If your a skilled doctor. You come over here on a £250 flight into Heathrow and claim asylum through the normal process.She didn’t mention small boats once was my point. But let’s suppose she did, some of them will be skilled workers.
Again coming back to these attempts at smearing everyone in an unsavoury fashion and that if they all just fucked off we’d have a land of milk and honey.
I know we don't...but there's a process to go through in order to leave which we haven't yet, so what she's saying is we should break our word on something we claim to uphold.
Given that there's no practical way for someone urgently fleeing for their safety to get here 'legally', it just looks like a workaround to not accept any asylum seekers full stop.
Whilst destroying your documents because skilled professionals who want to contribute to our society will do this…If your a skilled doctor. You come over here on a £250 flight into Heathrow and claim asylum through the normal process.
You dont pay upto £5k to an illegal people smuggler and risk life and death crossing the channel
And there we have it.We should suspend (or even abolish) the right to all asylum applications at the border.
And there we have it.
If your a skilled doctor. You come over here on a £250 flight into Heathrow and claim asylum through the normal process.
You know it would have saved a lot of time had you just skipped straight to saying this instead of pretending it was about legal entry.Poland have done this following Belarus weaponising irregular border crossings. Why shouldn’t the UK and EU members follow suit?
Ask her if she thinks Blues' stadium design looks good then we'll know for sure. I'd actually campaign to make this standard in all eye tests.Good that you think my wife is pulling a con with a visual impairment G
Airports are classed as a port of entry. The difference is that you need to have all documentation at the ready in an airport.No you don't, that is impossible. You cannot get on a flight to claim asylum.
You know it would have saved a lot of time had you just skipped straight to saying this instead of pretending it was about legal entry.
I mean if you want to discuss why we should bother giving refuge to anyone we can, but I didn't think that needed explaining.
And if all countries did that then the only way asylum seekers could leave their own country is via going through their government. Only for many of them it's their own government that they need asylum and protection from. So what do that do? I guess they'd have to pay criminal gangs to smuggle them out of the country and thus everyone becomes an illegal asylum seeker.There is no practical because we’re an island… We should suspend (or even abolish) the right to all asylum applications at the border. This is what countries like Poland do despite being an EU member. This is where the convention is hopelessly outdated and unequipped to deal with intercontinental asylum seeking.
So you're calling working class people an 'underclass' now are you...?The clue is in the name ‘Working class’…
I dunno, I think if she's decided to marry me then she's failed the eye test there and then.Ask her if she thinks Blues' stadium design looks good then we'll know for sure. I'd actually campaign to make this standard in all eye tests.
Now repeat that sentence, but change one word. Where it says 'pensioners', replace it with 'welfare claimants'.The number of people paying in makes no difference what so ever. Its a complete myth to suggest that too many pensioners drawing cash out of the system and not enough workers paying in will bankrupt the economy.
People on living on benefits and not in work aren’t ‘working class’… I don’t know why you and others are getting upset at the use of the term ‘underclass’. It’s a widely used term in sociology.So you're calling working class people an 'underclass' now are you...?
So where should they be processed then? I've advocated for offshore asylum claim processing before, to be clear.No, this conversation strikes me because you don’t seem capable of making a difficult choice. How do you stop organised people smuggling without denying asylum claims and removing people?
When saying we should suspend the right to claim asylum at the border, it’s not saying no right to asylum. It just means any and all asylum claims are processed away from UK territory.
Given that we only share a border with Ireland, we should not be getting any asylum claims at any other border.
The difference being that pensioners have built the country and created the wealth that provides the money that's in the system.Now repeat that sentence, but change one word. Where it says 'pensioners', replace it with 'welfare claimants'.
Would you still agree with the sentence?
And if not, why not, given that pensions are a higher figure than welfare payouts?
Airports are classed as a port of entry. The difference is that you need to have all documentation at the ready in an airport.
Lee Anderson was mocked for this, but why would someone from Albania cross via smal boat rather than a £25 Wizz Air flight to claim asylum?
Personally, I felt the government shouldn’t have scrapped Rwanda. That said, it seems like the plan was doomed to fail because of the ECHR and there’s a few legal experts claiming Mahmood’s reforms will fail for the same reason. We’ll wait and see, the ‘1 in, 1 out’ was supposed to a game changer before it became a farce.So where should they be processed then? I've advocated for offshore asylum claim processing before, to be clear.
Albania is a safe country…Well I think you have answered your own question there. They aren't spending 5k instead of 25 quid and risking their lives for the fun of it.
It's because you can't get on a plane and claim asylum.
Ok. So let's give young people, many of whom will have no knowledge whatsoever of how to invest, a lump sum of money.Just get rid of pensions for people currently under 40. Reduce NI contributions for those people effected and give them a lump sum too invest themselves.
Are you saying the EU should be processing claims outside of the EU or that they should be processing claims throughout the EU?Personally, I felt the government shouldn’t have scrapped Rwanda. That said, it seems like the plan was doomed to fail because of the ECHR and there’s a few legal experts claiming Mahmood’s reforms will fail for the same reason. We’ll wait and see, the ‘1 in, 1 out’ was supposed to a game changer before it became a farce.
Again, my view is that we implement an Australian style ‘Operation Sovereign Borders’ and that means turning back boats and offshore processing.
This is something the entire EU should doing imo. It’s a farce across the entire bloc and mass migration causing the same issues in Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Spain, Germany and France.
Outside the EU. The Mediterranean should be policed by the various navies to prevent small boat crossings.Are you saying the EU should be processing claims outside of the EU or that they should be processing claims throughout the EU?
Again this is something I've spoken in favour of previously and was my preferred course of action in 'stopping the boats'.Outside the EU. The Mediterranean should be policed by the various navies to prevent small boat crossings.
In principle, the UK should cooperate in that endeavour. Frankly speaking, the right of asylum should be reformed to be limited to the continent of origin. Everything else being at the discretion of the nation state.
Because it creates an impression that some people are worth less than others. To sub or de humanise them. Like the term untermensch.People on living on benefits and not in work aren’t ‘working class’… I don’t know why you and others are getting upset at the use of the term ‘underclass’. It’s a widely used term in sociology.
It is stopping the boats… just in the Med versus the Channel. Of course we should do both.Again this is something I've spoken in favour of previously and was my preferred course of action in 'stopping the boats'.
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