Immigration and Asylum (9 Viewers)

[Grendel]

This was in 2016, so I can accept a lot of changes to the system have happened since then. I was still pretty sure though that you had to provide evidence of what you were doing to find work.

To reiterate though, the amount is not even £5k per year. Nobody can live in luxury off that.

So there are no other benefits? Housing costs, energy etc?

 

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[SBT]

Adults can support themselves, children can’t. They also don’t receive money directly from the government.

I can’t believe you thought that was a good question.

The issue is that you believe that society can be conveniently divided into ‘productive’ and ‘unproductive’ categories, often defined by characteristics that aren’t necessarily predictive of their economic status (i.e. whether they were born in this country) and often splitting hairs over what kinds of government expenditures should be taken into account (welfare payments bad, free schooling good etc).

Like most topics on here, everyone agrees with the central point that our welfare system (or asylum system, or healthcare system etc) is in need of reform. But the attempts to hijack the process in the name of advancing pet projects on immigration etc mean we just go round in circles until we’ve all been bludgeoned into submission by your extended essays.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So there are no other benefits? Housing costs, energy etc?

Are those contingent on being unemployed?

 

[skybluetony176]

Ahh the doff capping plebory of regurgitating the private sector is more efficient than the public sector. How do you even measure that for starters. You can’t measure public sector work in terms of turnover or profit or production capabilities etc etc. Public sector work is not measurable by the same terms and vice versa. It’s a lazy trope at best. Where’s the evidence other than a few right wing politicians and political commentators repeating it enough for the plebs to believe it.

https://www.epsu.org/article/public-and-private-sector-efficiency

Myth 5: The private sector is more efficient than the public sector

newint.org

 

[Captain Dart]

Ahh the doff capping plebory of regurgitating the private sector is more efficient than the public sector. How do you even measure that for starters. You can’t measure public sector work in terms of turnover or profit or production capabilities etc etc. Public sector work is not measurable by the same terms and vice versa. It’s a lazy trope at best. Where’s the evidence other than a few right wing politicians and political commentators repeating it enough for the plebs to believe it.

https://www.epsu.org/article/public-and-private-sector-efficiency

Myth 5: The private sector is more efficient than the public sector

newint.org

Yeah we can trust whatever claims the European Federation of Public Service Unions make.