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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,191
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s so strange that the rules cross the piece are far more stringent than the last few years whilst still seemingly allowing people to access the country on small boats regularly all be it in small numbers

It’s such a big mess and I can’t help thinking that it’s going to get a lot worse before getting better
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The reality is that there are a number of income, accommodation etc rules that have to be met to bring a spouse into the country. It’s not an automatic right.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,192
Sick Boy said:
The reality is that there are a number of income, accommodation etc rules that have to be met to bring a spouse into the country. It’s not an automatic right.
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It’s incredibly hard yep
I know of two families where the wife couldn’t work while she was here despite one being a gp.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,193
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s incredibly hard yep
I know of two families where the wife couldn’t work while she was here despite one being a gp.
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Yea there are clearly assumptions that you can automatically bring a spouse into the country and live there legally, it’s not actually the case.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,194
Sick Boy said:
Wouldn't all foreign born spouses be migrants?
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Maybe I'm not being very clear.

If a migrant who is unmarried comes here and is granted the right to stay, if they then later on get married to a foreign national who lives abroad and does not have the right to stay in the UK, that new spouse will not be permitted entry into the UK.

Basically trying to stop people getting visa's by getting married to someone with the right to remain in the UK.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,195
Sick Boy said:
The reality is that there are a number of income, accommodation etc rules that have to be met to bring a spouse into the country. It’s not an automatic right.
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Friend of mine, from a non-European country, works in the fiance sector in the city. Has worked here for several years, her husband is not allowed to join her here.

He has a degree, would be working and contributing to society but doesn't meet the threshold.

Makes me sceptical when I see posts declaring that people have a right to bring their entire family over the second they step foot on British soil and we can't do anything about that without abandoning the ECHR
 
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Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,196
chiefdave said:
Friend of mine, from a non-European country, works in the fiance sector in the city. Has worked here for several years, her husband is not allowed to join her here.

He has a degree, would be working and contributing to society but doesn't meet the threshold.

Makes me sceptical when I see posts declaring that people have a right to bring their entire family over the second they step foot on British soil and we can't do anything about that without abandoning the ECHR
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I think its the difference between asylum and migration.
 
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,197

Boat migrants who 'raped woman on Brighton beach' appear in court

Two Egyptians and an Iranian Kurdish man are accused at Lewes Crown Court of dragging the 33-year-old woman onto the stone beach before subjecting her to a horrific ordeal.
www.dailymail.co.uk

another one
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,198
Dougin said:

Boat migrants who 'raped woman on Brighton beach' appear in court

Two Egyptians and an Iranian Kurdish man are accused at Lewes Crown Court of dragging the 33-year-old woman onto the stone beach before subjecting her to a horrific ordeal.
www.dailymail.co.uk

another one
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I am more concerned I have seen Garry Glitter in concert
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,199
Ccfcisparks said:
So how do you solve it then. Deport all those that aren't willing to integrate? How do you suppose we judge if someone is willing or not to integrate?
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So id suggest keeping those who dont think Murder or Rape is culturally usual. Call me old fashioned
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,200
Briles said:
So id suggest keeping those who dont think Murder or Rape is culturally usual. Call me old fashioned
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Well how do you decide who that is. Who is going to admit they think murder or rape is culturally usual
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,201
Ccfcisparks said:
Well how do you decide who that is. Who is going to admit they think murder or rape is culturally usual
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No no. Not who admits it. Who does it.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,202
Briles said:
No no. Not who admits it. Who does it.
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Is there a demographic on earth that doesn't do it?
 
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Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,203
Briles said:
No no. Not who admits it. Who does it.
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Well obviously. deporting murderers and rapists is hardly controversial. not going to be many people though is it to solve the crisis
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,204
Ccfcisparks said:
Well obviously. deporting murderers and rapists is hardly controversial. not going to be many people though is it to solve the crisis
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Not many?
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,205
PVA said:
Is there a demographic on earth that doesn't do it?
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Nope. But there are demographics who do it more.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,206
Briles said:
Nope. But there are demographics who do it more.
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oh dear oh dear
 
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Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,207
Briles said:
Not many?
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500 or so murders to march 2025
 

Briles

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  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,208
Ccfcisparks said:
oh dear oh dear
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Thats an actual fact and you respond with that. Tutut
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,209
Ccfcisparks said:
500 or so murders to march 2025
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Oh that's ok then
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,210
Briles said:
Oh that's ok then
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well you are saying to deport them 500 people isn’t going to make a dent on those coming in
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,211
Ccfcisparks said:
well you are saying to deport them 500 people isn’t going to make a dent on those coming in
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I mean clean slate right? Deport the 500 who didn't integrate and let 1000 in who might? Is that right?
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,212
Briles said:
I mean clean slate right? Deport the 500 who didn't integrate and let 1000 in who might? Is that right?
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i mean my original question was how do you decide who’s integrated and who hasn’t. you suggested deporting the 500 murderers a year where we assume all aren’t british. not much of a solution is it
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,213
Ccfcisparks said:
i mean my original question was how do you decide who’s integrated and who hasn’t. you suggested deporting the 500 murderers a year where we assume all aren’t british. not much of a solution is it
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You cant deport people who are british
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,214
Briles said:
You cant deport people who aren't "British".
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what’s your solution for identifying those who won’t integrate
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,215
Ccfcisparks said:
what’s your solution for identifying those who won’t integrate
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Deportation. Those who have proved their inability to integrate get kicked out. I dont know why this is so alien to people.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,216
Briles said:
Deportation. Those who have proved their inability to integrate get kicked out. I dont know why this is so alien to people.
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yes but how do you identify those are unable to integrate, other than if they murder or rape someone
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,217
Ccfcisparks said:
yes but how do you identify those are unable to integrate, other than if they murder or rape someone
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Short of kicking everyone out you cant. Its the price we pay for open borders. So innocent until proven guilty is the closest you can get. But its not enough, and anyone with a modicum of sense can see that
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,218
Ccfcisparks said:
yes but how do you identify those are unable to integrate, other than if they murder or rape someone
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Being able to use the local language to a decent level for starters. If you can't speak the language, you have nothing to offer the country you're in.
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,219
Marty said:
Being able to use the local language to a decent level for starters. If you can't speak the language, you have nothing to offer the country you're in.
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Good point.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,220
Briles said:
Short of kicking everyone out you cant. Its the price we pay for open borders. So innocent until proven guilty is the closest you can get. But its not enough, and anyone with a modicum of sense can see that
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so in short you can’t adviise a solution
 

Briles

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,221
Ccfcisparks said:
so in short you can’t adviise a solution
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I gave you a solution. You need to read better.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,222
Marty said:
Being able to use the local language to a decent level for starters. If you can't speak the language, you have nothing to offer the country you're in.
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In that case there will probably be more British returning to the country.
 
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,223

Migrant who raped 15-year-old in the street on Valentine's Day jailed

Amin Abedi Mofrad, 35, was found guilty of raping the drunk girl on her way home from an under 18s nightclub on February 14 last year.
www.dailymail.co.uk

another one
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,224
Sick Boy said:
In that case there will probably be more British returning to the country.
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So be it.
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 13, 2025
  • #1,225
Dougin said:

Migrant who raped 15-year-old in the street on Valentine's Day jailed

Amin Abedi Mofrad, 35, was found guilty of raping the drunk girl on her way home from an under 18s nightclub on February 14 last year.
www.dailymail.co.uk

another one
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Would happily see him catapulted into the sea after serving his sentence in a cell no bigger than a broom cupboard.
 
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