Immigration and Asylum (3 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

It’s so strange that the rules cross the piece are far more stringent than the last few years whilst still seemingly allowing people to access the country on small boats regularly all be it in small numbers

It’s such a big mess and I can’t help thinking that it’s going to get a lot worse before getting better

The reality is that there are a number of income, accommodation etc rules that have to be met to bring a spouse into the country. It’s not an automatic right.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

The reality is that there are a number of income, accommodation etc rules that have to be met to bring a spouse into the country. It’s not an automatic right.

It’s incredibly hard yep
I know of two families where the wife couldn’t work while she was here despite one being a gp.

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s incredibly hard yep
I know of two families where the wife couldn’t work while she was here despite one being a gp.

Yea there are clearly assumptions that you can automatically bring a spouse into the country and live there legally, it’s not actually the case.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Wouldn't all foreign born spouses be migrants?

Maybe I'm not being very clear.

If a migrant who is unmarried comes here and is granted the right to stay, if they then later on get married to a foreign national who lives abroad and does not have the right to stay in the UK, that new spouse will not be permitted entry into the UK.

Basically trying to stop people getting visa's by getting married to someone with the right to remain in the UK.

 

[chiefdave]

The reality is that there are a number of income, accommodation etc rules that have to be met to bring a spouse into the country. It’s not an automatic right.

Friend of mine, from a non-European country, works in the fiance sector in the city. Has worked here for several years, her husband is not allowed to join her here.

He has a degree, would be working and contributing to society but doesn't meet the threshold.

Makes me sceptical when I see posts declaring that people have a right to bring their entire family over the second they step foot on British soil and we can't do anything about that without abandoning the ECHR

 

[Briles]

Friend of mine, from a non-European country, works in the fiance sector in the city. Has worked here for several years, her husband is not allowed to join her here.

He has a degree, would be working and contributing to society but doesn't meet the threshold.

Makes me sceptical when I see posts declaring that people have a right to bring their entire family over the second they step foot on British soil and we can't do anything about that without abandoning the ECHR

I think its the difference between asylum and migration.

 

[Dougin]

Boat migrants who 'raped woman on Brighton beach' appear in court

Two Egyptians and an Iranian Kurdish man are accused at Lewes Crown Court of dragging the 33-year-old woman onto the stone beach before subjecting her to a horrific ordeal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

another one

 

[Grendel]

Boat migrants who 'raped woman on Brighton beach' appear in court

Two Egyptians and an Iranian Kurdish man are accused at Lewes Crown Court of dragging the 33-year-old woman onto the stone beach before subjecting her to a horrific ordeal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

another one

I am more concerned I have seen Garry Glitter in concert

 

[Briles]

So how do you solve it then. Deport all those that aren't willing to integrate? How do you suppose we judge if someone is willing or not to integrate?

So id suggest keeping those who dont think Murder or Rape is culturally usual. Call me old fashioned

 

[Ccfcisparks]

So id suggest keeping those who dont think Murder or Rape is culturally usual. Call me old fashioned

Well how do you decide who that is. Who is going to admit they think murder or rape is culturally usual

 

[Briles]

Well how do you decide who that is. Who is going to admit they think murder or rape is culturally usual

No no. Not who admits it. Who does it.

 

[PVA]

No no. Not who admits it. Who does it.

Is there a demographic on earth that doesn't do it?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

No no. Not who admits it. Who does it.

Well obviously. deporting murderers and rapists is hardly controversial. not going to be many people though is it to solve the crisis

 

[Briles]

Well obviously. deporting murderers and rapists is hardly controversial. not going to be many people though is it to solve the crisis

Not many?

 

[Briles]

Is there a demographic on earth that doesn't do it?

Nope. But there are demographics who do it more.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Nope. But there are demographics who do it more.

oh dear oh dear

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Not many?

500 or so murders to march 2025

 

[Briles]

oh dear oh dear

Thats an actual fact and you respond with that. Tutut

 

[Briles]

500 or so murders to march 2025

Oh that's ok then

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Oh that's ok then

well you are saying to deport them 500 people isn’t going to make a dent on those coming in

 

[Briles]

well you are saying to deport them 500 people isn’t going to make a dent on those coming in

I mean clean slate right? Deport the 500 who didn't integrate and let 1000 in who might? Is that right?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I mean clean slate right? Deport the 500 who didn't integrate and let 1000 in who might? Is that right?

i mean my original question was how do you decide who’s integrated and who hasn’t. you suggested deporting the 500 murderers a year where we assume all aren’t british. not much of a solution is it

 

[Briles]

i mean my original question was how do you decide who’s integrated and who hasn’t. you suggested deporting the 500 murderers a year where we assume all aren’t british. not much of a solution is it

You cant deport people who are british

 

[Ccfcisparks]

You cant deport people who aren't "British".

what’s your solution for identifying those who won’t integrate

 

[Briles]

what’s your solution for identifying those who won’t integrate

Deportation. Those who have proved their inability to integrate get kicked out. I dont know why this is so alien to people.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Deportation. Those who have proved their inability to integrate get kicked out. I dont know why this is so alien to people.

yes but how do you identify those are unable to integrate, other than if they murder or rape someone

 

[Briles]

yes but how do you identify those are unable to integrate, other than if they murder or rape someone

Short of kicking everyone out you cant. Its the price we pay for open borders. So innocent until proven guilty is the closest you can get. But its not enough, and anyone with a modicum of sense can see that

 

[Marty]

yes but how do you identify those are unable to integrate, other than if they murder or rape someone

Being able to use the local language to a decent level for starters. If you can't speak the language, you have nothing to offer the country you're in.

 

[Briles]

Being able to use the local language to a decent level for starters. If you can't speak the language, you have nothing to offer the country you're in.

Good point.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Short of kicking everyone out you cant. Its the price we pay for open borders. So innocent until proven guilty is the closest you can get. But its not enough, and anyone with a modicum of sense can see that

so in short you can’t adviise a solution

 

[Briles]

so in short you can’t adviise a solution

I gave you a solution. You need to read better.

 

[Sick Boy]

Being able to use the local language to a decent level for starters. If you can't speak the language, you have nothing to offer the country you're in.

In that case there will probably be more British returning to the country.

 

[Dougin]

Migrant who raped 15-year-old in the street on Valentine's Day jailed

Amin Abedi Mofrad, 35, was found guilty of raping the drunk girl on her way home from an under 18s nightclub on February 14 last year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

another one

 

[Marty]

In that case there will probably be more British returning to the country.

So be it.

 

[Marty]

Migrant who raped 15-year-old in the street on Valentine's Day jailed

Amin Abedi Mofrad, 35, was found guilty of raping the drunk girl on her way home from an under 18s nightclub on February 14 last year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

another one

Would happily see him catapulted into the sea after serving his sentence in a cell no bigger than a broom cupboard.