rob9872
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Is NQ non qualified? Sorry if not, only guessing.
Is NQ non qualified? Sorry if not, only guessing.Mine started as NQ at band 5 and was certainly not on 35 grand….unless they’ve had a 10-12 grand pay rise over the last 10 years.
Newly qualified.Is NQ non qualified? Sorry if not, only guessing.
My partner is middle band 6 as a midwife and is on circa 45kMine started as NQ at band 5 and was certainly not on 35 grand….unless they’ve had a 10-12 grand pay rise over the last 10 years.
Ok thanks. Also you said Band 5. I know she's only newly qualified, but also band 6 so I don't know how that differs in salary, but also why more than one entry level?Newly qualified.
Mine got up to band 6 and then we left - I think she was on about 36k at that point.My partner is middle band 6 as a midwife and is on circa 45k
Id take a guess at newly qualified. Could be wrong thoughIs NQ non qualified? Sorry if not, only guessing.
Ah that's similar to what i just posted, but also is only newly qualified, so I don't know how that stacks up or if it's different by region. She's Worcestershire if that has any bearing.My partner is middle band 6 as a midwife and is on circa 45k
No idea! As far as I’m aware band 5 is for newly qualified. She was only early 20s though so maybe an age thing/other wider work experience ?Ok thanks. Also you said Band 5. I know she's only newly qualified, but also band 6 so I don't know how that differs in salary, but also why more than one entry level?
Mine is Birmingham, shes been band 6 about 3 years now, but did train as a midwife in UniAh that's similar to what i just posted, but also is only newly qualified, so I don't know how that stacks up or if it's different by region. She's Worcestershire if that has any bearing.
Increase funding to train more domestically and scale down the need to import the labour.Good luck recruiting nurses and midwives then!
You’ve missed the point. The citizenship routes were most likely a historical legacy from having huge numbers of Italian/Irish people leave the home land and your population declining.They weren’t actually going to Italy to live and work in Italy. In a lot of cases they were being acquired by people from South America to live and work in Spain. These were people who had a distant relative going back generations.
In these cases it’s absurd that someone born to foreign parents is denied citizenship - I think Ireland is the same.
Funnily enough the babies have the same issuesloads of problems getting sheet and shit mixed up
The issue is just as much about wages.Increase funding to train more domestically and scale down the need to import the labour.
You can’t justify the immigration system on the NHS. Particularly when the government is cutting funding for training spaces and trainee roles in the NHS, such as nurses and doctors.
Why do you and others dumb the argument down to nurses and midwives? They and their dependents are not free. There was an example where there was an average of 9 dependents arriving with Zimbabwean migrants via the health care visa route. This is an obvious abuse and not even a good economic trade off. I doubt many of the male small boat migrants will be doing courses in midwifery.
You’ve missed the point. The citizenship routes were most likely a historical legacy from having huge numbers of Italian/Irish people leave the home land and your population declining.
My point was these laws probably aren’t tenable in the context where net migration is in the hundreds of thousands because this will probably open up a can of worms down the line.
Citizenship, imo shouldn’t be granted automatically upon birth. Even today, you need a ILR before your children are naturalised at birth. Personally, I’d bump that up to citizen status and only grant citizenship whereby people have clean criminal records, financially self-sufficient. What most countries do.
Home grown doctors are moving to other countries with better pay and conditions. If you want to provide those however you're 'hard left'.
Migrant arrives aged 25 to retirement (modelled up to 100)… how much tax they pay v cost of public services they consume. Frankly speaking, the costs seem to focus on the pensions.As a genuine question, how has that number been arrived at?
On the contrary I think it's actually shown there's a lot more overlap between people's views on this topic than they thought which has to be a useful thing. Compare it to what gets exchanged in other social media sites and although it's sometimes heated it's generally far more respectful.Once again today we're about 3 pages in arguing who is to blame, who is racist, which flavour of politician is culpable, wages, shortages in professions and other wide-ranging points.
Not a single post on how to tackle what is clearly a problem and only Pete acknowledging the victims, which is the saddest and most important point.
I'm not absolving my own responsibility in this either, I'm as guilty for as much of that as most of you who I'm calling out on the same, but these circular trends are apparent on this thread, the politics and many others.
I think I need to do what shmmeee has done and take a break from off-topic. Nothing is ever solved, it's not why I use this forum and it only winds me up even more tbh
I posed the question on how do we decide who in families of groomers to deport as you suggested, as well as the question where do you deport UK born but 2nd/3rd generation immigrants.Once again today we're about 3 pages in arguing who is to blame, who is racist, which flavour of politician is culpable, wages, shortages in professions and other wide-ranging points.
Not a single post on how to tackle what is clearly a problem and only Pete acknowledging the victims, which is the saddest and most important point.
I'm not absolving my own responsibility in this either, I'm as guilty for as much of that as most of you who I'm calling out on the same, but these circular trends are apparent on this thread, the politics and many others.
I think I need to do what shmmeee has done and take a break from off-topic. Nothing is ever solved, it's not why I use this forum and it only winds me up even more tbh
What does such a system look like?I’m happy to provide it. Are you happy to have an indentikit system if the countries that can pay these salaries?
Mine started as NQ at band 5 and was certainly not on 35 grand….unless they’ve had a 10-12 grand pay rise over the last 10 years.
| Pay Point | 2015/16 Salary | 2025/26 Salary |
|---|---|---|
| Entry (Starting) | £21,692 | £31,049 |
| Mid | £25,783 (approximate) | £33,487 |
| Top of Band | £28,462 (approximate) | £37,796 |
The issue is just as much about wages.
Not enough local people are willing to go through all that for the wages offered for the position. So if you want that you've got to increase the wages and conditions. But suggest that and it's "Oh no! That would cause inflation and be bad!"
Unions and other people don't mind paying higher tax if there's something tangible in return. The problem in this country for a long time has been paying through the nose for most things but getting a shitter deal year on year.Do you think importing labour from low income countries is conducive for wage growth?
What causes wage growth? Typically the market corrects itself when it’s competing for labour. Remember the HGV driver shortage a few years ago? Wages spiked.
In any case, the government is in all sorts of problems on ‘the budget’ and the only thing it’s really done is increase public sector pay… let’s see how unions like it when income tax increases wipes out a significant % of the pay rises negotiated.
I mean if you can find quotes of people saying that then crack onI thought the doctors and engineers line came from the left pushing that line when they were coming over in boats, they're all doctors and engineers coming to save us from ourselves as we're completely useless etc etc.
Canada and Australia have socialised insurance systems. We’re one of the only countries where healthcare is completely socialised, all the healthcare workers are government employees and the buildings are owned by the government. As of right now, I just think that’s too much to be responsible for.What does such a system look like?
this feels like a tough one to back up. You gonna quantify the 'large proportion' part of the post? because I'm confident the same statement applies to a big chunk of the white British population.
If you don't want to work to integrate people then what other option do you have unless you want to ignore our international obligations and just not allow anyone into the country?
Even then the chances of a 100% success rate of stopping illegal immigration is unlikely to say the least.
ok
Grooming gang convictions '84% Asian', say researchers
A think-tank report finds there is a demographic link to those who sexually exploit children in grooming gangs.news.sky.com
how does the government identify arranged marriages compared to non arrangedWell you can ban all faith schools for a start. Also look at banning oppressive clothing. Ban arranged marriages etc
I'm happy with any form of universal healthcare that remains free at the point of use, not wedded to the government owning all the buildings and employing all the staff.Canada and Australia have socialised insurance systems. We’re one of the only countries where healthcare is completely socialised, all the healthcare workers are government employees and the buildings are owned by the government. As of right now, I just think that’s too much to be responsible for.
Probably a radical idea, but the NHS should be for UK citizens only. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect foreign-born residents to be self-sufficient and have their own private health insurance.
The NHS wasn’t created with the challenges of the 21st century in mind; net migration was on average 50k per year and we had a much younger population.
I didn't tbf so I will then I'm out. this is my opinion only, no sources, so if people disagree fine. Right tin hat on here goes:I posed the question on how do we decide who in families of groomers to deport as you suggested, as well as the question where do you deport UK born but 2nd/3rd generation immigrants.
Did you respond?
I'm happy with any form of universal healthcare that remains free at the point of use, not wedded to the government owning all the buildings and employing all the staff.
The issue I have is we have seen from the education sector that privately run but publicly funded set ups have diverted funds from the frontline service and into the hands of executives and other people whose roles didn't previously exist. The frontline service has then suffered more as a result.
Grooming gang convictions '84% Asian', say researchers
A think-tank report finds there is a demographic link to those who sexually exploit children in grooming gangs.news.sky.com
Quilliam's researchers found 264 people have been convicted for the specific crime of gang grooming since 2005, and of those offenders 222 or 84% were Asian.
I mean if you can find quotes of people saying that then crack on
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