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ccfcno9

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2025
  • #946
torchomatic said:
Britain post Brexit is a different place, Pete. Less tolerant, less friendly, less helping out your fellow man. Prices for everything going through the roof; food, energy. Lack of affordable housing. It's allowed people like Farage to thrive, selling magic beans promising t o make things better; all we need to do is get rid of all immigrants, even those who are entitled to be here. Will love to see "patriots" working in the NHS and care homes instead of all the immigrants who make our services run. It's sickening.
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As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.
As for dismantling the NHS, its already been done ! The facts are trusts are institutions mismanaging operations and splurging money away to quango's who think they know how to use tax payers money for efficient health care. The pharmacy, dentists, optician etc use NHS funding but are mostly independent companies operating for profit are just a few examples of the fragmentation.
The patriots you sneer at could trained and be well paid to do the work immigrants are doing without the cost of funding dependants from overseas.
Oh I hear Brits are lazy and won't do it! Well cut some of the benefits that make it worthwhile for them to work (health issues excluded).
I find it sickening that folks who have had a reasonably comfortable life here(housing, food and services) bang on about looking good on the world stage and suck up to the EU who are shafting us right now.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 31, 2025
  • #947
ccfcno9 said:
As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.
As for dismantling the NHS, its already been done ! The facts are trusts are institutions mismanaging operations and splurging money away to quango's who think they know how to use tax payers money for efficient health care. The pharmacy, dentists, optician etc use NHS funding but are mostly independent companies operating for profit are just a few examples of the fragmentation.
The patriots you sneer at could trained and be well paid to do the work immigrants are doing without the cost of funding dependants from overseas.
Oh I hear Brits are lazy and won't do it! Well cut some of the benefits that make it worthwhile for them to work (health issues excluded).
I find it sickening that folks who have had a reasonably comfortable life here(housing, food and services) bang on about looking good on the world stage and suck up to the EU who are shafting us right now.
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How is the EU shafting the UK?
 
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ccfcno9

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2025
  • #948
Perhaps I should rephrase that as 'our last and current government haven't got the best deals for us from the EU in recent years'. I could spell out some of the shortfalls in my opinion expectations if you can't think of any yourself.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2025
  • #949
ccfcno9 said:
As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.
As for dismantling the NHS, its already been done ! The facts are trusts are institutions mismanaging operations and splurging money away to quango's who think they know how to use tax payers money for efficient health care. The pharmacy, dentists, optician etc use NHS funding but are mostly independent companies operating for profit are just a few examples of the fragmentation.
The patriots you sneer at could trained and be well paid to do the work immigrants are doing without the cost of funding dependants from overseas.
Oh I hear Brits are lazy and won't do it! Well cut some of the benefits that make it worthwhile for them to work (health issues excluded).
I find it sickening that folks who have had a reasonably comfortable life here(housing, food and services) bang on about looking good on the world stage and suck up to the EU who are shafting us right now.
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ccfcno9

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2025
  • #950
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
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Fishing rights ?
 
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Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2025
  • #951
The two sides to immigration here, one done properly and worked hard another just scum who will now cost us to keep him locked up.

The successful restaurant owner and the Somalian thug who killed him

Their paths crossed for just 22 fleeting seconds in Lloyds Bank one afternoon in Derby city centre.
mol.im
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2025
  • #952
When he gets in the first thing that should happen is she gets put in jail, a truly awful piece of work and a terrible human being
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 1, 2025
  • #953
ccfcno9 said:
Perhaps I should rephrase that as 'our last and current government haven't got the best deals for us from the EU in recent years'. I could spell out some of the shortfalls in my opinion expectations if you can't think of any yourself.
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It was inevitably going to happen - at the time we were told it was a price worth paying.
 
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LarryGrayson

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2025
  • #954
ccfcno9 said:
As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.
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wtf
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 1, 2025
  • #955
LarryGrayson said:
wtf
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Not a fan of morris dancing?
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2025
  • #956
SkyBlueDom26 said:
When he gets in the first thing that should happen is she gets put in jail, a truly awful piece of work and a terrible human being
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For what? Expressing an opinion you don't like? I thought the right were all for freedom of speech?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #957
ccfcno9 said:
As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.
As for dismantling the NHS, its already been done ! The facts are trusts are institutions mismanaging operations and splurging money away to quango's who think they know how to use tax payers money for efficient health care. The pharmacy, dentists, optician etc use NHS funding but are mostly independent companies operating for profit are just a few examples of the fragmentation.
The patriots you sneer at could trained and be well paid to do the work immigrants are doing without the cost of funding dependants from overseas.
Oh I hear Brits are lazy and won't do it! Well cut some of the benefits that make it worthwhile for them to work (health issues excluded).
I find it sickening that folks who have had a reasonably comfortable life here(housing, food and services) bang on about looking good on the world stage and suck up to the EU who are shafting us right now.
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Farage would love all heath services to be provided for profit, the profit falling to

Private insurance companies
Private healthcare providers
 
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #958
fernandopartridge said:
Farage would love all heath services to be provided for profit, the profit falling to

Private insurance companies
Private healthcare providers
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Really?

Reform UK has said it is committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and will “never” charge for its use
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #959
Dougin said:
Really?

Reform UK has said it is committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and will “never” charge for its use
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When
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #960
Sky Blue Pete said:
When
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Is Labour right to claim Reform UK would ‘scrap the NHS’? – Full Fact

In the run-up to the local elections, Labour is warning Reform UK would make people pay to use the health service—a claim the party’s strongly denied. Full Fact looks at the evidence.
fullfact.org
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #961
Grendel said:

Is Labour right to claim Reform UK would ‘scrap the NHS’? – Full Fact

In the run-up to the local elections, Labour is warning Reform UK would make people pay to use the health service—a claim the party’s strongly denied. Full Fact looks at the evidence.
fullfact.org
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Thanks as always
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #962
Dougin said:
Reform UK has said it is committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and will “never” charge for its use
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In an interview with the Times Farage said
We’ve got to identify a system of funding for healthcare that is more effective than the one we have currently got, and at the same time carries those who can’t afford to pay.
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While he's regularly spoken on the need to change NHS funding in this particular interview is the implication not that people should pay. Not sure how else you can interpret "carries those who can’t afford to pay". The immediate question from that is where is the line on who can afford to pay drawn?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #963
What the fuck is wrong with people?
Gardaí (Irish police) are investigating attempted arson after four children, including a baby, were rescued following a fire at a building housing people applying for international protection.
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Drogheda: Children rescued after fire at asylum accommodation 'started deliberately'

An Garda Síochána said "this was an extremely dangerous act endangering the lives of the residents".
www.bbc.co.uk

And then we move on to assaulting pensioners with metal poles

Pensioner 'battered by gang of thugs' while taking down England flags

A 68-year-old pensioner claimed he was attacked and had his face smashed into a road by a gang of thugs at 4am, after he took down England flags
www.mirror.co.uk
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #964
Dougin said:
Really?

Reform UK has said it is committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and will “never” charge for its use
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Free at the point of delivery does not mean that it isn't a private provider making a profit
 
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #965
fernandopartridge said:
Free at the point of delivery does not mean that it isn't a private provider making a profit
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your statement was

"Farage would love all heath services to be provided for profit"




you made it up to try and make him look bad. you lied
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #966
Dougin said:
your statement was

"Farage would love all heath services to be provided for profit"




you made it up to try and make him look bad. you lied
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I've told you "free at the point of use" does not mean the same thing as "not for profit". When you go to Specsavers for a "free hearing test" it is free at the point of use, but the NHS commissioner will pay them and they will make a profit.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #967
Grendel said:
I drove down the Folshill Road the other day and it had Palestine and Indian flags. Are the flag shaggers trying to intimidate white people and Jews?
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No, because its unilateral.

The liberal-left is committing electoral suicide by adapting the idea that our national flags are somehow 'divisive' and 'intimidating'. To flip this argument on its head @Sky Blue Pete, are British people allowed to feel 'intimidated' or 'divided' if they went to an area as described by Grendel?

Successful integration isn't having communities who become atomised exclaves of various national groups. Like in Sheffield, where Eritrean factions fighting on our streets, taking their internecine feuds to the UK. This isn't what a 'melting pot' looks like.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #968
Mucca Mad Boys said:
The liberal-left is committing electoral suicide by adapting the idea that our national flags are somehow 'divisive' and 'intimidating'. To flip this argument on its head @Sky Blue Pete, are British people allowed to feel 'intimidated' or 'divided' if they went to an area as described by Grendel?
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Who does this? Have you even looked at the array of flags around Kier Starmer every time he makes an announcement?
 
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #969
Ccfcisparks said:
Sometimes yellow
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Back in the day there was some lovely yellow flake about
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #970
Dougin said:
Back in the day there was some lovely yellow flake about
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I wouldn’t know…
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #971
Dougin said:
Back in the day there was some lovely yellow flake about
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Paddington brought it
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #972
Dougin said:
Back in the day there was some lovely yellow flake about
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St Ogden's?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #973
Mucca Mad Boys said:
No, because its unilateral.

The liberal-left is committing electoral suicide by adapting the idea that our national flags are somehow 'divisive' and 'intimidating'. To flip this argument on its head @Sky Blue Pete, are British people allowed to feel 'intimidated' or 'divided' if they went to an area as described by Grendel?

Successful integration isn't having communities who become atomised exclaves of various national groups. Like in Sheffield, where Eritrean factions fighting on our streets, taking their internecine feuds to the UK. This isn't what a 'melting pot' looks like.
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I think I answered Grendel and I think an individual is entitled to feel however they want
I think anyone has a right to put up whatever flag they want for any reason, in public it’s a little bit different
 
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Dougin

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #974
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think I answered Grendel and I think an individual is entitled to feel however they want
I think anyone has a right to put up whatever flag they want for any reason, in public it’s a little bit different
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What would happen if you put an England flag up in Iran Afghanistan or Palestine?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #975
Dougin said:
What would happen if you put an England flag up in Iran Afghanistan or Palestine?
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Dunno but I’m not an Iranian Afghan or Palestinian I’m British and can only judge myself by my own standards
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #976
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think I answered Grendel and I think an individual is entitled to feel however they want
I think anyone has a right to put up whatever flag they want for any reason, in public it’s a little bit different
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Grendel's point was that people hoist flags in public spaces aren't of the UK/home nations. Are they engaging in 'divisive' or 'intimidating' behaviour, if not, why? That's a curious double standard.

The whole business of erecting the Union Jack was in part a response to councils taking down the home nations flags whilst allowing Palestine (and others) flags to stand.

Our flags, particularly the Union Jack, is one of the most inclusive out there.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #977
Can only speak from my experience but as I've mentioned before where I live many of the houses for some odd reason have flagpoles.

People put up all sorts of flags, St George, Union, Cov, other countries (don't think I've seen an Iran or Afghanistan, def seen Palestine, armed forces, lgbtq. Never heard a single word of complaint or anyone suggesting they or anyone else are intimidated, not even on the local facebook group which complains about everything.

I would suggest, whatever flag is involved, that situation would rapidly change if the same flag was cabled tied to every lamppost and anywhere else that could be found.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #978
chiefdave said:
I would suggest, whatever flag is involved, that situation would rapidly change if the same flag was cabled tied to every lamppost and anywhere else that could be found.
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Surely that would depend on the demographic of the area? Would you be intimidated by a Union Jack flagfest in your street?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #979
fernandopartridge said:
Who does this? Have you even looked at the array of flags around Kier Starmer every time he makes an announcement?
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Keir Starmer does in official announcements and his performative patriotism fools no one. His MPs paint a different picture and they are the ones that will be knocking on doors for votes come the next election.

A Google search gets specific examples, but this gives a decent summary of the current state of play:

Keir Starmer faces discontent as Labour MPs reject union jack election flyers

Exclusive: Members say flag may alienate ethnic minority voters as some associate it with far right
www.theguardian.com
 

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2025
  • #980
Mucca Mad Boys said:
No, because its unilateral.

The liberal-left is committing electoral suicide by adapting the idea that our national flags are somehow 'divisive' and 'intimidating'. To flip this argument on its head @Sky Blue Pete, are British people allowed to feel 'intimidated' or 'divided' if they went to an area as described by Grendel?

Successful integration isn't having communities who become atomised exclaves of various national groups. Like in Sheffield, where Eritrean factions fighting on our streets, taking their internecine feuds to the UK. This isn't what a 'melting pot' looks like.
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I got told it was woke to suggest having the Union flag on corners at football grounds
 
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