Immigration and Asylum (5 Viewers)

[ccfcno9]

Britain post Brexit is a different place, Pete. Less tolerant, less friendly, less helping out your fellow man. Prices for everything going through the roof; food, energy. Lack of affordable housing. It's allowed people like Farage to thrive, selling magic beans promising t o make things better; all we need to do is get rid of all immigrants, even those who are entitled to be here. Will love to see "patriots" working in the NHS and care homes instead of all the immigrants who make our services run. It's sickening.

As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.
As for dismantling the NHS, its already been done ! The facts are trusts are institutions mismanaging operations and splurging money away to quango's who think they know how to use tax payers money for efficient health care. The pharmacy, dentists, optician etc use NHS funding but are mostly independent companies operating for profit are just a few examples of the fragmentation.
The patriots you sneer at could trained and be well paid to do the work immigrants are doing without the cost of funding dependants from overseas.
Oh I hear Brits are lazy and won't do it! Well cut some of the benefits that make it worthwhile for them to work (health issues excluded).
I find it sickening that folks who have had a reasonably comfortable life here(housing, food and services) bang on about looking good on the world stage and suck up to the EU who are shafting us right now.

 

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[Sick Boy]

As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.
As for dismantling the NHS, its already been done ! The facts are trusts are institutions mismanaging operations and splurging money away to quango's who think they know how to use tax payers money for efficient health care. The pharmacy, dentists, optician etc use NHS funding but are mostly independent companies operating for profit are just a few examples of the fragmentation.
The patriots you sneer at could trained and be well paid to do the work immigrants are doing without the cost of funding dependants from overseas.
Oh I hear Brits are lazy and won't do it! Well cut some of the benefits that make it worthwhile for them to work (health issues excluded).
I find it sickening that folks who have had a reasonably comfortable life here(housing, food and services) bang on about looking good on the world stage and suck up to the EU who are shafting us right now.

How is the EU shafting the UK?

 

[ccfcno9]

Perhaps I should rephrase that as 'our last and current government haven't got the best deals for us from the EU in recent years'. I could spell out some of the shortfalls in my opinion expectations if you can't think of any yourself.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.
As for dismantling the NHS, its already been done ! The facts are trusts are institutions mismanaging operations and splurging money away to quango's who think they know how to use tax payers money for efficient health care. The pharmacy, dentists, optician etc use NHS funding but are mostly independent companies operating for profit are just a few examples of the fragmentation.
The patriots you sneer at could trained and be well paid to do the work immigrants are doing without the cost of funding dependants from overseas.
Oh I hear Brits are lazy and won't do it! Well cut some of the benefits that make it worthwhile for them to work (health issues excluded).
I find it sickening that folks who have had a reasonably comfortable life here(housing, food and services) bang on about looking good on the world stage and suck up to the EU who are shafting us right now.

 

[ccfcno9]

Fishing rights ?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

The two sides to immigration here, one done properly and worked hard another just scum who will now cost us to keep him locked up.

The successful restaurant owner and the Somalian thug who killed him

Their paths crossed for just 22 fleeting seconds in Lloyds Bank one afternoon in Derby city centre.

mol.im

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

When he gets in the first thing that should happen is she gets put in jail, a truly awful piece of work and a terrible human being

 

[Sick Boy]

Perhaps I should rephrase that as 'our last and current government haven't got the best deals for us from the EU in recent years'. I could spell out some of the shortfalls in my opinion expectations if you can't think of any yourself.

It was inevitably going to happen - at the time we were told it was a price worth paying.

 

[LarryGrayson]

As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.

wtf

 

[Sick Boy]

wtf

Not a fan of morris dancing?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

When he gets in the first thing that should happen is she gets put in jail, a truly awful piece of work and a terrible human being

For what? Expressing an opinion you don't like? I thought the right were all for freedom of speech?

 

[fernandopartridge]

As well as immigration I hope Farage initiates an enquiry into the grooming of public sector workers by way of indoctrinating woke ideals and eradicating traditional English History and customs.
As for dismantling the NHS, its already been done ! The facts are trusts are institutions mismanaging operations and splurging money away to quango's who think they know how to use tax payers money for efficient health care. The pharmacy, dentists, optician etc use NHS funding but are mostly independent companies operating for profit are just a few examples of the fragmentation.
The patriots you sneer at could trained and be well paid to do the work immigrants are doing without the cost of funding dependants from overseas.
Oh I hear Brits are lazy and won't do it! Well cut some of the benefits that make it worthwhile for them to work (health issues excluded).
I find it sickening that folks who have had a reasonably comfortable life here(housing, food and services) bang on about looking good on the world stage and suck up to the EU who are shafting us right now.

Farage would love all heath services to be provided for profit, the profit falling to

Private insurance companies
Private healthcare providers

 

[Dougin]

Farage would love all heath services to be provided for profit, the profit falling to

Private insurance companies
Private healthcare providers

Really?

Reform UK has said it is committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and will “never” charge for its use

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Really?

Reform UK has said it is committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and will “never” charge for its use

When

 

[Grendel]

When

Is Labour right to claim Reform UK would ‘scrap the NHS’? – Full Fact

In the run-up to the local elections, Labour is warning Reform UK would make people pay to use the health service—a claim the party’s strongly denied. Full Fact looks at the evidence.

fullfact.org

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Is Labour right to claim Reform UK would ‘scrap the NHS’? – Full Fact

In the run-up to the local elections, Labour is warning Reform UK would make people pay to use the health service—a claim the party’s strongly denied. Full Fact looks at the evidence.

fullfact.org

Thanks as always

 

[chiefdave]

Reform UK has said it is committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and will “never” charge for its use

In an interview with the Times Farage said

We’ve got to identify a system of funding for healthcare that is more effective than the one we have currently got, and at the same time carries those who can’t afford to pay.

While he's regularly spoken on the need to change NHS funding in this particular interview is the implication not that people should pay. Not sure how else you can interpret "carries those who can’t afford to pay". The immediate question from that is where is the line on who can afford to pay drawn?

 

[chiefdave]

What the fuck is wrong with people?

Gardaí (Irish police) are investigating attempted arson after four children, including a baby, were rescued following a fire at a building housing people applying for international protection.

Drogheda: Children rescued after fire at asylum accommodation 'started deliberately'

An Garda Síochána said "this was an extremely dangerous act endangering the lives of the residents".

www.bbc.co.uk

And then we move on to assaulting pensioners with metal poles

Pensioner 'battered by gang of thugs' while taking down England flags

A 68-year-old pensioner claimed he was attacked and had his face smashed into a road by a gang of thugs at 4am, after he took down England flags

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Really?

Reform UK has said it is committed to keeping the NHS free at the point of delivery and will “never” charge for its use

Free at the point of delivery does not mean that it isn't a private provider making a profit

 

[Dougin]

Free at the point of delivery does not mean that it isn't a private provider making a profit

your statement was

"Farage would love all heath services to be provided for profit"




you made it up to try and make him look bad. you lied

 

[fernandopartridge]

your statement was

"Farage would love all heath services to be provided for profit"




you made it up to try and make him look bad. you lied

I've told you "free at the point of use" does not mean the same thing as "not for profit". When you go to Specsavers for a "free hearing test" it is free at the point of use, but the NHS commissioner will pay them and they will make a profit.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I drove down the Folshill Road the other day and it had Palestine and Indian flags. Are the flag shaggers trying to intimidate white people and Jews?

No, because its unilateral.

The liberal-left is committing electoral suicide by adapting the idea that our national flags are somehow 'divisive' and 'intimidating'. To flip this argument on its head @Sky Blue Pete, are British people allowed to feel 'intimidated' or 'divided' if they went to an area as described by Grendel?

Successful integration isn't having communities who become atomised exclaves of various national groups. Like in Sheffield, where Eritrean factions fighting on our streets, taking their internecine feuds to the UK. This isn't what a 'melting pot' looks like.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The liberal-left is committing electoral suicide by adapting the idea that our national flags are somehow 'divisive' and 'intimidating'. To flip this argument on its head @Sky Blue Pete, are British people allowed to feel 'intimidated' or 'divided' if they went to an area as described by Grendel?

Who does this? Have you even looked at the array of flags around Kier Starmer every time he makes an announcement?

 

[Dougin]

Sometimes yellow

Back in the day there was some lovely yellow flake about

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Back in the day there was some lovely yellow flake about

I wouldn’t know…

 

[fernandopartridge]

Back in the day there was some lovely yellow flake about

Paddington brought it

 

[wingy]

Back in the day there was some lovely yellow flake about

St Ogden's?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No, because its unilateral.

The liberal-left is committing electoral suicide by adapting the idea that our national flags are somehow 'divisive' and 'intimidating'. To flip this argument on its head @Sky Blue Pete, are British people allowed to feel 'intimidated' or 'divided' if they went to an area as described by Grendel?

Successful integration isn't having communities who become atomised exclaves of various national groups. Like in Sheffield, where Eritrean factions fighting on our streets, taking their internecine feuds to the UK. This isn't what a 'melting pot' looks like.

I think I answered Grendel and I think an individual is entitled to feel however they want
I think anyone has a right to put up whatever flag they want for any reason, in public it’s a little bit different

 

[Dougin]

I think I answered Grendel and I think an individual is entitled to feel however they want
I think anyone has a right to put up whatever flag they want for any reason, in public it’s a little bit different

What would happen if you put an England flag up in Iran Afghanistan or Palestine?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What would happen if you put an England flag up in Iran Afghanistan or Palestine?

Dunno but I’m not an Iranian Afghan or Palestinian I’m British and can only judge myself by my own standards

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I think I answered Grendel and I think an individual is entitled to feel however they want
I think anyone has a right to put up whatever flag they want for any reason, in public it’s a little bit different

Grendel's point was that people hoist flags in public spaces aren't of the UK/home nations. Are they engaging in 'divisive' or 'intimidating' behaviour, if not, why? That's a curious double standard.

The whole business of erecting the Union Jack was in part a response to councils taking down the home nations flags whilst allowing Palestine (and others) flags to stand.

Our flags, particularly the Union Jack, is one of the most inclusive out there.

 

[chiefdave]

Can only speak from my experience but as I've mentioned before where I live many of the houses for some odd reason have flagpoles.

People put up all sorts of flags, St George, Union, Cov, other countries (don't think I've seen an Iran or Afghanistan, def seen Palestine, armed forces, lgbtq. Never heard a single word of complaint or anyone suggesting they or anyone else are intimidated, not even on the local facebook group which complains about everything.

I would suggest, whatever flag is involved, that situation would rapidly change if the same flag was cabled tied to every lamppost and anywhere else that could be found.

 

[Grendel]

I would suggest, whatever flag is involved, that situation would rapidly change if the same flag was cabled tied to every lamppost and anywhere else that could be found.

Surely that would depend on the demographic of the area? Would you be intimidated by a Union Jack flagfest in your street?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Who does this? Have you even looked at the array of flags around Kier Starmer every time he makes an announcement?

Keir Starmer does in official announcements and his performative patriotism fools no one. His MPs paint a different picture and they are the ones that will be knocking on doors for votes come the next election.

A Google search gets specific examples, but this gives a decent summary of the current state of play:

Keir Starmer faces discontent as Labour MPs reject union jack election flyers

Exclusive: Members say flag may alienate ethnic minority voters as some associate it with far right

www.theguardian.com

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No, because its unilateral.

The liberal-left is committing electoral suicide by adapting the idea that our national flags are somehow 'divisive' and 'intimidating'. To flip this argument on its head @Sky Blue Pete, are British people allowed to feel 'intimidated' or 'divided' if they went to an area as described by Grendel?

Successful integration isn't having communities who become atomised exclaves of various national groups. Like in Sheffield, where Eritrean factions fighting on our streets, taking their internecine feuds to the UK. This isn't what a 'melting pot' looks like.

I got told it was woke to suggest having the Union flag on corners at football grounds