Immigration and Asylum (12 Viewers)

[mmttww]

Love the flag chat making a return! People that always loved England and the UK so much that they only started chucking flags up in volume when the asylum hotels were dominating the news cycle. No connection at all.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Farage won’t be elected. Bandwagons can run for a while but keeping those wheels turning for four years is virtually impossible

You think a more right wing Tory party will return?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

You think a more right wing Tory party will return?

they've no choice to try and win back those that have gone onto reform.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Love the flag chat making a return! People that always loved England and the UK so much that they only started chucking flags up in volume when the asylum hotels were dominating the news cycle. No connection at all.

Here he is, mr apologise in people’s Dm’s. Of course you’d pop up at some point hating on the English and British flag, you are an embarrassment

 

[TomRad85]

Lol
My close friend over the road puts loads of reform stuff up. We have great discussions. He’s worked his socks off all his life he’s a lovely bloke who I respect a lot and my opinion is he’s being used. He’s not a bad person and he’s entitled to his opinion as am I

Tell me then dom and Tom what’s wrong with your lives or your families lives

why is the uk so bad?
What don’t you like?
what are you doing about it!
If those putting flags up (or down) spent that time volunteering in the community things might be better for all

bsb spent many Saturday mornings helping kids i take my hat off to him.
WTF have you done but whinge and cry about how bad everything is

I wasn't aware I said anything other than your constant sneering isn't a great look.

As you asked, since I moved out of London my families life is fine. Like many cities its a dangerous shit hole where there was a murder at the end of my road a shooting at the local cinema and a thankfully failed break in attempt on my house. So theres a good start on what's wrong with the UK.

I'm also thankful to have a couple of buy to let properties that help me get by, but unlike people close to you I won't be voting for Polanski to take it away.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Remember you are the guy who was angry at people on here for wanting the Southport killer to not have access to boiling water. Very disturbed individual you are yet you somehow represent this forum to the club

Nope I wasn’t angry at all
I was pointing out something about risk and you jumped on it for some reason
It’s as if you’ve never experienced any kind of hardship

 

[rob9872]

You think a more right wing Tory party will return?

Nope, I think we're fekked for a long time to come. I imagine that's why people are so keen to push the Reform narrative as they know when it comes to it that lots won't vote for them and the split actually keeps Labour in power.

 

[TomRad85]

I can't see a world where Labour or the Tories win the next GE. Farage would have to self destruct (possible tbf.)

 

[mmttww]

you are an embarrassment

also Dom: responds in one minute.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Nope I wasn’t angry at all
I was pointing out something about risk and you jumped on it for some reason
It’s as if you’ve never experienced any kind of hardship

Nah I don’t think of people like that as human beings, you know the ones who commit evil acts. You are a disturbed individual that can look past that kind of stuff because of ‘human rights’ weirdo

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

also Dom: responds in one minute.

Oooo I’m so sorry please forgive me, I’m so sorry please accept my apology. Saddo

remember you crying a few weeks back saying this forum was becoming unbearable because of me, what a big crybaby

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I wasn't aware I said anything other than your constant sneering isn't a great look.

As you asked, since I moved out of London my families life is fine. Like many cities its a dangerous shit hole where there was a murder at the end of my road a shooting at the local cinema and a thankfully failed break in attempt on my house. So theres a good start on what's wrong with the UK.

I'm also thankful to have a couple of buy to let properties that help me get by, but unlike people close to you I won't be voting for Polanski to take it away.

Sorry to name check you as it wasn’t called for
Also I’m not trying to sneer so I need to sort out my posting and how I say stuff
I have friends who live in and love London. Has it only got worse recently?
I remember when I lived in hillfields and walked to work in town passing 3 separate police cordend off murders and had our house broken into. That was back in 1993-5 though
Is it worse or just we are forgetting? Honest opinion?

 

[mmttww]

I’m so sorry please accept my apology.

Apology accepted! Have fun shouting at people.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nah I don’t think of people like that as human beings, you know the ones who commit evil acts. You are a disturbed individual that can look past that kind of stuff because of ‘human rights’ weirdo

This is good engaging thank you
I don’t look past it I look it fully in the face and then deal with it
I see the good in everyone ( even you and me) and try and help that come out. There’s many people like me

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Apology accepted! Have fun shouting at people.

Crybaby

 

[rob9872]

Sorry to name check you as it wasn’t called for
Also I’m not trying to sneer so I need to sort out my posting and how I say stuff
I have friends who live in and love London. Has it only got worse recently?
I remember when I lived in hillfields and walked to work in town passing 3 separate police cordend off murders and had our house broken into. That was back in 1993-5 though
Is it worse or just we are forgetting? Honest opinion?

I've not lived in Coventry since I was 1 and never in London, but if you can't see that it's got worse in the last 20 years, then I really don't know what to say.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

This is good engaging thank you
I don’t look past it I look it fully in the face and then deal with it
I see the good in everyone ( even you and me) and try and help that come out. There’s many people like me

Yeah but some people aren’t human and have no good, it’s crazy how you have that mindset

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nope, I think we're fekked for a long time to come. I imagine that's why people are so keen to push the Reform narrative as they know when it comes to it that lots won't vote for them and the split actually keeps Labour in power.

That’s a take
Could well be right

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah but some people aren’t human and have no good, it’s crazy how you have that mindset

Do you believe people are born inhuman? Or become inhuman?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I've not lived in Coventry since I was 1 and never in London, but if you can't see that it's got worse in the last 20 years, then I really don't know what to say.

Hi rob
So it’s anecdotal then?
What’s got worse over the last 20 years?
Just saying I was mugged at knifepoint in 82
Burgled in 95
3 people were murdered in the 90’s where I used to live
Is it as torch said the cost of housing food and energy?
And is that not down to the crash and then austerity??

 

[rob9872]

Do you believe people are born inhuman? Or become inhuman?

both

 

[mmttww]

Crybaby

Definitely starting to think the Dom in the username isn't short for Dominic. No kink shaming, fella. Each to their own.

 

[rob9872]

Hi rob
So it’s anecdotal then?
What’s got worse over the last 20 years?

Serious crime, everywhere. Even in suburbia. There are many reasons, not all down to immigration ether. Less police, less powers, more drugs, more people wanting everything without being prepared to work for it. Statistics may show otherwise, but we know lots of low level crime doesnt even get reported because it's pointless.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

both

wow! Ok
I don’t believe anyone is born inhuman
I think people can become inhuman for many different reasons but my humanity is what’s at stake rather than theirs in how I treat them

 

[TomRad85]

Sorry to name check you as it wasn’t called for
Also I’m not trying to sneer so I need to sort out my posting and how I say stuff
I have friends who live in and love London. Has it only got worse recently?
I remember when I lived in hillfields and walked to work in town passing 3 separate police cordend off murders and had our house broken into. That was back in 1993-5 though
Is it worse or just we are forgetting? Honest opinion?

London is worse, its completely lawless. I won't pretend I felt unsafe as I didn't really (other than the breakin) I just generally looked like I belonged there after a while and people left you alone. As soon as I had a son though we were like fuck that, it was a joint decision.
Where I am now is nice. There are certain areas here where I admit I get slightly racist English person vibes, as you know I have a mixed family so... but honestly overall it's great and if the worst I have to deal with is a couple of chavvy bigots over stabbings, shootings and break ins then we'll survive. I know my wife is pretty happy here too.

 

[chiefdave]

Only if everyone keeps mentioning him and gives the oxygen required. Ignore would be much the best tactic if you or the MSM genuinely want him to fade into the background.

If only I had that much influence, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now and would be living in a utopia

The problem is the MSM doesn't want him to fade into the background. Just look at how many times he shows up on Question Time for example.

Interestingly around the time of their conference there did seem a slight change from the MSM in so far as they started questioning him on policy. This resulted in some absolute car crash interviews where he couldn't even get to grips with the basics. Will be interesting to see if that continues and if it does if it makes any difference to those that support him. As with Trump he seems to have created a situation where anyone in the media doesn't tow the line is dismissed as 'fake news'.

 

[rob9872]

wow! Ok
I don’t believe anyone is born inhuman
I think people can become inhuman for many different reasons but my humanity is what’s at stake rather than theirs in how I treat them

I used to think it was neglect or seeing things in childhood etc but then how do you explain things like Venables and Thompson?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Serious crime, everywhere. Even in suburbia. There are many reasons, not all down to immigration ether. Less police, less powers, more drugs, more people wanting everything without being prepared to work for it. Statistics may show otherwise, but we know lots of low level crime doesnt even get reported because it's pointless.

You replied before I’d finished editing
I think you’ve probably covered it anyway
So is it austerity most at fault for you or something else? I’d blame austerity and the growing inequality in our country for pretty much all of that
Last couple of years we’ve lost sight of how we help our neighbours well in terms of refugee and immigration process

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

London is worse, its completely lawless. I won't pretend I felt unsafe as I didn't really (other than the breakin) I just generally looked like I belonged there after a while and people left you alone. As soon as I had a son though we were like fuck that, it was a joint decision.
Where I am now is nice. There are certain areas here where I admit I get slightly racist English person vibes, as you know I have a mixed family so... but honestly overall it's great and if the worst I have to deal with is a couple of chavvy bigots over stabbings, shootings and break ins then we'll survive. I know my wife is pretty happy here too.

Ok I hear you

 

[Grendel]

Hi rob
So it’s anecdotal then?
What’s got worse over the last 20 years?
Just saying I was mugged at knifepoint in 82
Burgled in 95
3 people were murdered in the 90’s where I used to live
Is it as torch said the cost of housing food and energy?
And is that not down to the crash and then austerity??

In London knife crime has soared

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Been to Poland, lovely country. Lots of people trying to sell me Coke though. Very white and very cold.

You’d love Aberdeen.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

In London knife crime has soared

And they’re using them now too aren’t they?
what do the stats say? Percentage wise?
maybe friends who are there or visit regularly just stay out of certain areas

 

[rob9872]

You replied before I’d finished editing
I think you’ve probably covered it anyway
So is it austerity most at fault for you or something else? I’d blame austerity and the growing inequality in our country for pretty much all of that
Last couple of years we’ve lost sight of how we help our neighbours well in terms of refugee and immigration process

Not just austerity. Police numbers are down because the law is against them in many ways, they can't police in the way that worked. Everyone 'knows their rights', clever solicitors, risk of someone saying or doing the wrong thing and a career ruined. It's now a profession like any other and not the right people policing. Must be so demoralising to take things all the way to trial and then see them get off on a technicality. I must know 10+ drug dealers and I'm not even a user. If I know them, the authorities must and yet they all go about their business, often with things I can't afford. I'd aso add immigration to be part of that problem. Whilst I saitd it wasn't all about that in my last post, it would be equally naive to assume it's had no impact either.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Definitely starting to think the Dom in the username isn't short for Dominic. No kink shaming, fella. Each to their own.

You really are an odd individual, feels good when you have a big hissyfit about people posting with different opinions to you. Good to see you winding down with the posting, you are a boring clown

 

[Grendel]

And they’re using them now too aren’t they?
what do the stats say? Percentage wise?
maybe friends who are there or visit regularly just stay out of certain areas

Crime has increased by 30% in a decade and violent crime by 40%