Hoffman on the CBS Arena board? (2 Viewers)

tisza · Dec 6, 2022

Hoffman's relationship with Ashley should raise a few eyebrows - bet there are more than a few PL clubs looking at this development with a lot of interest.
Hoffman was the one who pushed through the Saudi Newcastle deal against the wishes of many PL clubs (informed them after deal was done and without consultation) and it cost him that job.
12 months later he's going to be on the board of a new Ashley business.

Nick · Dec 6, 2022

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
They could but it isn’t a secret thing to keep it hush. Boddy’s not gonna sit there saying “can’t tell you who owns us”

So why is he doing all this to find out and "flush them out"?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Dec 6, 2022

Nick said:
So why is he doing all this to find out and "flush them out"?

I’m convinced he wants to buy us - he’ll be thinking “WTF is going on” like us

Nick · Dec 6, 2022

tisza said:
Hoffman's relationship with Ashley should raise a few eyebrows - bet there are more than a few PL clubs looking at this development with a lot of interest.
Hoffman was the one who pushed through the Saudi Newcastle deal against the wishes of many PL clubs (informed them after deal was done and without consultation) and it cost him that job.
12 months later he's going to be on the board of a new Ashley business.

You have to wonder why a "banker" is going to be running a stadium.

Nick · Dec 6, 2022

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I’m convinced he wants to buy us - he’ll be thinking “WTF is going on” like us

Pretty sure there's much more going on than we know about.

rob9872 · Dec 6, 2022

As he championed Hoffmans bid and is mates with Ashley, I'll bet that c**t 'superfan' Hairy Keys has some part in this.

Nick · Dec 6, 2022

rob9872 said:
As he championed Hoffmans bid and is mates with Ashley, I'll bet that c**t 'superfan' Hairy Keys has some part in this.

Least he might attend games then, for free in corporate with his mates.

clint van damme · Dec 6, 2022

rob9872 said:
As he championed Hoffmans bid and is mates with Ashley, I'll bet that c**t 'superfan' Hairy Keys has some part in this.

Posted up a tweet from the prick earlier endorsing Ashley

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Dec 6, 2022

Nick said:
Pretty sure there's much more going on than we know about.

More than likely - Hoffman on the CBS arena board is a bit if telltale sign, it’s almost like the pieces are being put in place

wingy · Dec 6, 2022

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
They could but it isn’t a secret thing to keep it hush. Boddy’s not gonna sit there saying “can’t tell you who owns us”

Well his programme notes seem a bit different to head office?

slowpoke · Dec 6, 2022

clint van damme said:
Posted up a tweet from the prick earlier endorsing Ashley

Who would you endorse then ?

clint van damme · Dec 6, 2022

slowpoke said:
Who would you endorse then ?

Not one of the shysters or charlatans currently involved with or hovering around the club.
Unfortunately we're going to end up with one of them.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 6, 2022

slowpoke said:
They won’t evict ffs! sisu have been offered mirrored terms to play at the CBS and as yet chose not to sign. Who’s fault is that.

But one a much shorter deal of a few months meaning that we'd have nowhere to play. Which puts the club at a massive disadvantage as it's highly likely the rental costs would be hiked massively and/or the revenues available from matchdays cut due to time pressures.

I find it incredible that if the intention to continue under current terms was there why was it not included in writing as part of the sale to Frasers?

slowpoke · Dec 6, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But one a much shorter deal of a few months meaning that we'd have nowhere to play. Which puts the club at a massive disadvantage as it's highly likely the rental costs would be hiked massively and/or the revenues available from matchdays cut due to time pressures.

I find it incredible that if the intention to continue under current terms was there why was it not included in writing as part of the sale to Frasers?

They have offered mirrored terms ffs! And if there are new agreements we the fans will pay as ticket prices will go up.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 6, 2022

slowpoke said:
They have offered mirrored terms ffs! And if there are new agreements we the fans will pay as ticket prices will go up.

It does seem that terms same as those they're on were offered pre-sale and not signed. But right now mirrored terms are NOT on the table. They've been withdrawn for a much shorter term.

The entire thing has got me thinking about why has everyone in this mess has done what they have.

My guess is that by signing the mirrored terms pre-sale SISU/King would have effectively scuppered their own bid for the stadium. So did Fraser's only offer the terms because they expected them to be turned down and thus allow them to state they offered the same terms but they were refused?

Then it's when did Fraser's remove those mirrored terms for the six month deal? Was it as soon as the deal went through? Was it when CCFC said they wanted changes in a new agreement?

Seems like crap decisions all round. MA doesn't care what people think of him but even so serving an eviction notice on a local football club where you want to base the HQ of one of your businesses seems like an incredibly stupid thing to do. It may well help him get the club cheaper but mainly because he's driven the price down and made the club and fans suffer in the process. He'd have to invest the money he saves back in just to bring us back up to the same level of competitiveness we are now. So swings and roundabouts just so he can feel like he's got one over someone. Only he's not factoring in how stubborn Seppala can be.

Sky Blue Harry H · Dec 8, 2022

Not necessarily sticking up for Hoffman, but at least he attends games and has an obvious affection for the club. I have seen him at away games like Chesterfield, when we were down to our core support attending. He may be disliked for some of his connections/dealings, but at least he follows the team (add in Joe Elliot to that)

chiefdave · Dec 8, 2022

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Not necessarily sticking up for Hoffman, but at least he attends games and has an obvious affection for the club. I have seen him at away games like Chesterfield, when we were down to our core support attending. He may be disliked for some of his connections/dealings, but at least he follows the team (add in Joe Elliot to that)

there's definitely an upside to having someone who genuinely cares about the club in a position of power but at the same time there's a lot of people on here who live and breathe the club who I'd want nowhere near the decision making process.

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

chiefdave said:
there's definitely an upside to having someone who genuinely cares about the club in a position of power but at the same time there's a lot of people on here who live and breathe the club who I'd want nowhere near the decision making process.

Kevin Maton is a season ticket holder I believe…

oldfiver · Dec 8, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It does seem that terms same as those they're on were offered pre-sale and not signed. But right now mirrored terms are NOT on the table. They've been withdrawn for a much shorter term.

The entire thing has got me thinking about why has everyone in this mess has done what they have.

My guess is that by signing the mirrored terms pre-sale SISU/King would have effectively scuppered their own bid for the stadium. So did Fraser's only offer the terms because they expected them to be turned down and thus allow them to state they offered the same terms but they were refused?

Then it's when did Fraser's remove those mirrored terms for the six month deal? Was it as soon as the deal went through? Was it when CCFC said they wanted changes in a new agreement?

Seems like crap decisions all round. MA doesn't care what people think of him but even so serving an eviction notice on a local football club where you want to base the HQ of one of your businesses seems like an incredibly stupid thing to do. It may well help him get the club cheaper but mainly because he's driven the price down and made the club and fans suffer in the process. He'd have to invest the money he saves back in just to bring us back up to the same level of competitiveness we are now. So swings and roundabouts just so he can feel like he's got one over someone. Only he's not factoring in how stubborn Seppala can be.

It does seem that terms same as those they're on were offered pre-sale and not signed. But right now mirrored terms are NOT on the table. They've been withdrawn for a much shorter term.

You could argue they have a longer term

The "old" agreement and "new" one are licences - so FG could have exercised the eviction terms any time aftet they took over

If they wanted certainty of tenure for CCFC why did they not offer a full lease?

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 8, 2022

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
More than likely - Hoffman on the CBS arena board is a bit if telltale sign, it’s almost like the pieces are being put in place

Not sure ccfc is well served by Hoffman but I’m sure opinions differ on that

Levship20 · Dec 8, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
Not sure ccfc is well served by Hoffman but I’m sure opinions differ on that

Really? I’m astonished at how people doubt him. If I was a money man and wanted CCFC, he would be first on the list to run the club.

oldfiver · Dec 8, 2022

Levship20 said:
Really? I’m astonished at how people doubt him. If I was a money man and wanted CCFC, he would be first on the list to run the club.

Really?? What do you base that on?

Nick · Dec 8, 2022

Levship20 said:
Really? I’m astonished at how people doubt him. If I was a money man and wanted CCFC, he would be first on the list to run the club.

Are you Dale Evans?

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 8, 2022

Levship20 said:
Really? I’m astonished at how people doubt him. If I was a money man and wanted CCFC, he would be first on the list to run the club.

He made some unfortunate pairings and upset a number of people who are equally huge fans of the club or as successful

slowpoke · Dec 8, 2022

He fronts or is spokesman for a consortium made up of local businessmen trying for a few years to buy the club with these types opinions may differ but I’d assume he talks for the majority.

Nick · Dec 8, 2022

slowpoke said:
He fronts or is spokesman for a consortium made up of local businessmen trying for a few years to buy the club with these types opinions may differ but I’d assume he talks for the majority.

Poker Players and made up energy drink men?

Skyblueweeman · Dec 8, 2022

chiefdave said:
at the same time there's a lot of people on here who live and breathe the club who I'd want nowhere near the decision making process.

C'mon Dave...name names!

Nick · Dec 8, 2022

Skyblueweeman said:
C'mon Dave...name names!

Not sure Id want any of the pricks on here (me included) running the club.

steve cooper · Dec 8, 2022

oldfiver said:
It does seem that terms same as those they're on were offered pre-sale and not signed. But right now mirrored terms are NOT on the table. They've been withdrawn for a much shorter term.

You could argue they have a longer term

The "old" agreement and "new" one are licences - so FG could have exercised the eviction terms any time aftet they took over

If they wanted certainty of tenure for CCFC why did they not offer a full lease?

But doesn't a lease give exclusive rights? So in my understanding the agreement with Wasps must have been a licence.

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oldfiver · Dec 8, 2022

steve cooper said:
But doesn't a lease give exclusive rights? So in my understanding the agreement with Wasps must have been a licence.

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I think that is what I have said ?

slowpoke · Dec 8, 2022

Nick said:
Poker Players and made up energy drink men?

Why not if people come along boasting few bob which might help check them out & once seen either or both aren’t for real dump them. As said there’s a consortium might not have been Hoffman who was initially approached.

steve cooper · Dec 8, 2022

oldfiver said:
I think that is what I have said ?

I agree you did, but why are we saying we should have been offered a lease for security of tenure?
Wouldn't that possibly massively disadvantage HofF?

oldfiver · Dec 8, 2022

steve cooper said:
I agree you did, but why are we saying we should have been offered a lease for security of tenure?
Wouldn't that possibly massively disadvantage HofF?

I did not say should I said they could have.

Effectively they offered nothing in the "new" licence

steve cooper · Dec 8, 2022

Ok, but my understanding is if we were leaseholders (sublease) our landlord would need our agreement to even enter the arena. That could affect all sort of things H of F might want to do, from concerts to allowing Wasps to play there.
If that is the case, from their pov a sublease to us makes no commercial sense.
Not sure I'm right of this, just trying to assimilate what I have read about leases v licences.

robbiethemole · Dec 8, 2022

Ashley/ hof playing their own game? Their mindset seem to be we won’t be fucking about with SISU / King, and doing he said they said, here’s our new agreement sign it or fuck off.
Hard nosed big business man v poxy hedge fund, only one winner

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