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clint van damme

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,436
GIMOC said:
but i thought king was a great businessman? The lack of sponsors coming forward along with low uptake of corporate sales is one of the same problem.
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Why did you think king was a great businessman?!
I've certainly never thought that, nor that he was poor, jury's out for me.

And how do we know there's lack of sponsors?
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,437
David O'Day said:
You even sound like Dawkins
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your obsession with Dawkins is scary. Jealousy is a bad trait
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,438
Perryccfc said:
Fuck me you are some doom and gloom merchant you are. Give it a rest
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He’s just advising how things are - ignore him if you’re not interested
 
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Balli001

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,439
GIMOC said:
lol - of course we will get a sponsor. I haven’t said we wouldn’t. just haven’t got one yet. Wonder how many other teams are in the same position? As for corporate. Your living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that will sell out.
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Oh that old you know so it must be right. As we established you selectively read, i said IF it sells out not that i expect it to.
 

GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,440
clint van damme said:
Why did you think king was a great businessman?!
I've certainly never thought that, nor that he was poor, jury's out for me.

And how do we know there's lack of sponsors?
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I personally don’t. However many on here believe he is. I beg to differ, it’s all about opinions on that matter.

Re: sponsors. King priced out any perspective sponsors and there isn’t a queue of potential sponsors as of Monday
 

mr_monkey

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,441
GIMOC said:
your obsession with Dawkins is scary. Jealousy is a bad trait
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So is lying about things on the internet to try and appear in the know John (as you have done so many times) how is getting the funds for a takeover going?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,442
GIMOC said:
I personally don’t. However many on here believe he is. I beg to differ, it’s all about opinions on that matter.

Re: sponsors. King priced out any perspective sponsors and there isn’t a queue of potential sponsors as of Monday
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If that's the case he'll have to eat humble pie and lower his prices.
I'm far less concerned about that than the fiasco at the start of last season that one of the people being touted on here as someone he should listen to was at the centre of.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,443
clint van damme said:
If that's the case he'll have to eat humble pie and lower his prices.
I'm far less concerned about that than the fiasco at the start of last season that one of the people being touted on here as someone he should listen to was at the centre of.
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And if he does it doesn’t bode well for future negotiations. In the business world people see that as a weaknesses
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,444
He even throws the sam ehissy fits Dawkins does when people question is ITKness on twitter
 
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Alkhen

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,445
GIMOC said:
lol - doom n gloom? What for stating facts? if you don’t like the truth then ignore it. Not hard now is it?
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People can only go on the crumbs you have given and off the fact some of your latest player deal 'info' led people on a bit. I dunno just seems from your recent posts that you have some vested interest. The constant negativity seems a bit grudge like.

Makes you wonder if perhaps something has personally annoyed you in the club or you know someone that is being affected by the internal changes. Sorry if that is the case but the new owner is fully in their right to run things as they deem fit.

Judging the results this early is mental, the guy has been a success in his other businesses so I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.

You do seem to have shifted your tone to be fully negative. I guess time will tell if you are right.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,446
GIMOC said:
And if he does it doesn’t bode well for future negotiations. In the business world people see that as a weaknesses
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Well that his issue to navigate.
But the notion he should be listening to some of the deadwood hanging around the club is ridiculous.
They've been front and centre of much of the nonsense that's gone on in the last few years.

The sooner he has a clear out the better.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,447
clint van damme said:
If that's the case he'll have to eat humble pie and lower his prices.
I'm far less concerned about that than the fiasco at the start of last season that one of the people being touted on here as someone he should listen to was at the centre of.
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Not great but not a crisis either
 

mr_monkey

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,448
David O'Day said:
He even throws the sam ehissy fits Dawkins does when people question is ITKness on twitter
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But he is obviously in the know as he said O'Hare was definitely going to Burnley and wasps were definitely staying

You make friends with a couple of players in league 2 and suddenly you know all the inner workings of the club
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,449
Alkhen said:
People can only go on the crumbs you have given and off the fact some of your latest player deal 'info' led people on a bit. I dunno just seems from your recent posts that you have some vested interest. The constant negativity seems a bit grudge like.

Makes you wonder if perhaps something has personally annoyed you in the club or you know someone that is being affected by the internal changes. Sorry if that is the case but the new owner is fully in their right to run things as they deem fit.

Judging the results this early is mental, the guy has been a success in his other businesses so I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.

You do seem to have shifted your tone to be fully negative. I guess time will tell if you are right.
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my tone is based on what I hear. as I’ve said, my opinion is my opinion. I’ll be wrong at times and other times I’ll be right. my issue at the minute is we had a great season. King came in at the perfect time. He hasn’t been dealt with a bad hand yet. no pressure is coming onto him, cracks are showing behind the scenes. If the same issues were occurring under a sisu regime there would be uproar. that’s my thoughts. others will disagree. That’s what forums like this are all about after all?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,450
Balli001 said:
Genuinely fear for your sanity if they do actually get sponsorship and sell out corporate.
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He’d be ecstatic
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,451
I hope GIMOC isnt Dawkins. I was beginning to quite like him. Dawkins is a self righteous knob on twitter.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,452
Sky Blue Pete said:
He’s just advising how things are - ignore him if you’re not interested
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Played hard ball in negotiations with Phil Rooney and got the Enemy an extra monster munch variety pack on their rider at the Empire so deserves some respect.
 
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no_loyalty

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,453
Sick Boy said:
It’s likely due to the play-off final just over a month ago and not knowing what division we’d be in.
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Surely you would plan for either scenario, and have sponsors lined up?
 
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theferret

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,454
GIMOC said:
I personally don’t. However many on here believe he is. I beg to differ, it’s all about opinions on that matter.

Re: sponsors. King priced out any perspective sponsors and there isn’t a queue of potential sponsors as of Monday
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I have heard he is a complete control freak and micro manages everything. He has already made enemies across the club and has pissed off some key corporate partners who have walked away.

That's what I've been told. I have no agenda against DK tbh and think he has taken some positive steps so I'll reserve judgement.

That said, I'm guessing no shirt sales before the season starts (I've no idea on the lead time once a deal has been agreed so just speculating), which is not a good look for a club making a big deal about maximising revenues
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,455
Waiting for the death card to be drawn
 

GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,456
Ccfcisparks said:
I hope GIMOC isnt Dawkins. I was beginning to quite like him. Dawkins is a self righteous knob on twitter.
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I’ve been in Dawkins company a few times. I wouldn’t judge him based on Twitter. regardless what people think of him.
Every club will have people who get snippets of info. city being no exception. Nowadays with WhatsApp groups, news soon spreads. Talk of city is widely discussed in groups.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,457
Deleted member 5849 said:
Waiting for the death card to be drawn
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,458
Ccfcisparks said:
I hope GIMOC isnt Dawkins. I was beginning to quite like him. Dawkins is a self righteous knob on twitter.
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He’s not
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,459
GIMOC said:
I’ve been in Dawkins company a few times. I wouldn’t judge him based on Twitter. regardless what people think of him.
Every club will have people who get snippets of info. city being no exception. Nowadays with WhatsApp groups, news soon spreads. Talk of city is widely discussed in groups.
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Even if he is a nice guy in real life, the way he portrays himself is terrible and comes across completely arrogant.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,460
GIMOC said:
I personally don’t. However many on here believe he is. I beg to differ, it’s all about opinions on that matter.

Re: sponsors. King priced out any perspective sponsors and there isn’t a queue of potential sponsors as of Monday
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To be fair sponsors might well be holding off to see what happens with player comings and goings before committing to the higher price King appears to want.

He can’t really win in some respects, if he rushes and takes first offer for Vik, he’s shit, yet if he doesn’t take the first offer for sponsorship, hes also shit

We can only really judge once any deals are done

Ps bold and principled move to not go with a gambling sponsor as they will probably pay the most.
 
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Perryccfc

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,461
GIMOC said:
your obsession with Dawkins is scary. Jealousy is a bad trait
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Your obsession with King is scary. And how everything he does is the wrong thing according to your “sources”. Pathetic
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,462
CCFCSteve said:
To be fair sponsors might well be holding off to see what happens with player comings and goings before committing to the higher price King appears to want.

He can’t really win in some respects, if he rushes and takes first offer for Vik, he’s shit, yet if he doesn’t take the first offer for sponsorship, hes also shit

We can only really judge once any deals are done

Ps bold and principled move to not go with a gambling sponsor as they will probably pay the most.
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I agree I loved his statement of not having a sponsor rather than using gambling companies
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,463
mr_monkey said:
But he is obviously in the know as he said O'Hare was definitely going to Burnley and wasps were definitely staying

You make friends with a couple of players in league 2 and suddenly you know all the inner workings of the club
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Also said it looked like we'd be homeless when the stadium went into admin
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,464
Perryccfc said:
Your obsession with King is scary. And how everything he does is the wrong thing according to your “sources”. Pathetic
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He’s not ever said that
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,465
theferret said:
I have heard he is a complete control freak and micro manages everything. He has already made enemies across the club and has pissed off some key corporate partners who have walked away.

That's what I've been told. I have no agenda against DK tbh and think he has taken some positive steps so I'll reserve judgement.

That said, I'm guessing no shirt sales before the season starts (I've no idea on the lead time once a deal has been agreed so just speculating), which is not a good look for a club making a big deal about maximising revenues
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But could he be micromanaging because he has no faith in the people around him?

And if that is the case, it's OK saying get rid of them but we all know these things take time.

That may not be the case, he might just be a control freak, but I'm not sure anyone knows for sure as the rumours about him doing the rounds are definitely emanating from disgruntled employees.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,466
Ccfcisparks said:
Even if he is a nice guy in real life, the way he portrays himself is terrible and comes across completely arrogant.
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the internet persona of many if not everyone is different to real life.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,467
Perryccfc said:
Your obsession with King is scary. And how everything he does is the wrong thing according to your “sources”. Pathetic
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It likely is Dawkins and he's bitter as his "bid" for the stadium/club was was given all due respect
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,468
GIMOC said:
the internet persona of many if not everyone is different to real life.
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Are you telling me @Greggs doesn't really own an owl?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,469
mr_monkey said:
But he is obviously in the know as he said O'Hare was definitely going to Burnley and wasps were definitely staying

You make friends with a couple of players in league 2 and suddenly you know all the inner workings of the club
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Tbf O'Hare was all set for Burnley until he got injured
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,470
GIMOC said:
the internet persona of many if not everyone is different to real life.
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You mean Grendel doesn’t carry a spreadsheet round with him?
 
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