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Deity

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,401
AFCCOVENTRY said:
This is a shocker really, as he came in Jan, knew Boyle deal was ending at the end of the season. So either he hasn’t realised and started the process or more like the commercial team probably did but with low rates.
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A have a full time CEO and full time Commercial Director. How is it the owners fault that we don’t have a new sponsor lined up ???
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,402
Deity said:
A have a full time CEO and full time Commercial Director. How is it the owners fault that we don’t have a new sponsor lined up ???
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Because the owner is taking control of all aspects (rightly or wrongly) hence why the issues behind the scenes are coming to a head.
 
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Deity

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,403
GIMOC said:
I genuinely believe he had planned for the prem especially with the increases wanted for sponsorship. probably reevaluated it slightly but pricing himself out of business.
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I would be amazed if he had not expected Boddy to deliver options in either scenario, promotion or another year in the championship.

King strikes me as pretty sensible.
 
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Deity

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,404
GIMOC said:
Because the owner is taking control of all aspects (rightly or wrongly) hence why the issues behind the scenes are coming to a head.
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When you say control do you mean is leading the negotiations from start to finish or he insists on having input and signing off the proposed deals ??
 

GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,405
Deity said:
When you say control do you mean is leading the negotiations from start to finish or he insists on having input and signing off the proposed deals ??
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I mean, he’s getting involved but after receiving feedback from various departments not listening and pressing ahead regardless. currently means no sponsors and very little sales within corporate area.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,406
Deity said:
I would be amazed if he had not expected Boddy to deliver options in either scenario, promotion or another year in the championship.

King strikes me as pretty sensible.
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sensible yes but has no experience running a football club. surely you would heed advice from others. but sounds like his way or the highway
 
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Deity

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,407
GIMOC said:
sensible yes but has no experience running a football club. surely you would heed advice from others. but sounds like his way or the highway
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Far from ideal.

I guess he’s less than impressed with our commercial teams and inevitably you listen less to them if you don’t value what they have delivered historically. Catch 22.
 
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Gint11

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,408
Well then he needs to pull his finger out or hire people into positions to help him.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,409
Deity said:
Far from ideal.

I guess he’s less than impressed with our commercial teams and inevitably you listen less to them if you don’t value what they have delivered historically. Catch 22.
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that’s fair enough but when it impacts income (sponsorship and lack of money from corporate side) then it’s a not a good position for the club
 
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higgs

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,410
GIMOC said:
that’s fair enough but when it impacts income (sponsorship and lack of money from corporate side) then it’s a not a good position for the club
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King of shaves might buy a few boxes

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Flying Fokker

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,411
Yelo may also want a share of the sp oils
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,412
AFCCOVENTRY said:
This is a shocker really, as he came in Jan, knew Boyle deal was ending at the end of the season. So either he hasn’t realised and started the process or more like the commercial team probably did but with low rates.
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It’s likely due to the play-off final just over a month ago and not knowing what division we’d be in.
 
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CovLis86

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,413
You could argue also his 'hands on' approach has brought in record season ticket sales?

Before you say that's down to the fans backing, I'll say the only reason corporate hasn't sold is down to corporate not backing, rather than a hands on owner fault.

It works both ways in the real world where bias isn't the only story teller.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,414
Interestingly, Doug came in preaching about not having boyle sports on shirts etc

Boyle sports had pulled out anyway. Hence the rather quick dismantling and disappearance of Boyle sports round the ground and the shop they had in the concourse

An easy win for him on that one. Thing is he hasnt been able to source a new sponsor without asking them for way more money than anyone will pay
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,415
GIMOC said:
sensible yes but has no experience running a football club. surely you would heed advice from others. but sounds like his way or the highway
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Not if you think the 'others' are useless at their jobs.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,416
They need to sort this out asap because it’s delaying shirt launch, commercial income coming in which impacts on playing budget and general running costs of the club.
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,417
Saddlebrains said:
Interestingly, Doug came in preaching about not having boyle sports on shirts etc

Boyle sports had pulled out anyway. Hence the rather quick dismantling and disappearance of Boyle sports round the ground and the shop they had in the concourse

An easy win for him on that one. Thing is he hasnt been able to source a new sponsor without asking them for way more money than anyone will pay
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I'm sorry but this is absolute bull shit he came out and emphatically said no gambling sponsors while he owns the club which is a very different statement to we are dropping Boyle sports.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,418
skyblu3sk said:
I'm sorry but this if absolute bull shit he came out and emphatically said no gambling sponsors while he owns the club which is a very different statement to we are dropping Boyle sports.
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Some of the nonsense being spouted on here is embarrassing.
As if everything not being announced and in place by July 1st signifies impending doom.
 
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Balli001

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,419
Saddlebrains said:
Interestingly, Doug came in preaching about not having boyle sports on shirts etc

Boyle sports had pulled out anyway. Hence the rather quick dismantling and disappearance of Boyle sports round the ground and the shop they had in the concourse

An easy win for him on that one. Thing is he hasnt been able to source a new sponsor without asking them for way more money than anyone will pay
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So because they "pulled out"" of sponsoring us that means they remove all their kiosks from a stadium owned by a totally different company?
 

GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,420
clint van damme said:
Not if you think the 'others' are useless at their jobs.
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well if you thought that you’d get rid asap. never great timing but we’re 2 days away from July with no sponsor and low corporate sales.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,421
AFCCOVENTRY said:
They need to sort this out asap because it’s delaying shirt launch, commercial income coming in which impacts on playing budget and general running costs of the club.
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Shirt revenue is marginal gains for the club. We couldn’t agree a deal anyway until 3 weeks ago could we
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,422
clint van damme said:
Some of the nonsense being spouted on here is embarrassing.
As if everything not being announced and in place by July 1st signifies impending doom.
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Doing my nut in so much crap being dished out the some people are lapping up.
 

Perryccfc

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,423
GIMOC said:
well if you thought that you’d get rid asap. never great timing but we’re 2 days away from July with no sponsor and low corporate sales.
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Fuck me you are some doom and gloom merchant you are. Give it a rest
 
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Hobo

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,424
Alkhen said:
There is a going rate though, there will be an average for the league then you look at where you are in the range. The deals with XL Motors and Boylesport are coming to an end, it would be madness to re-up on the same terms seeing as last season saw us in the play-offs and our stature raise accordingly.
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No it's an ever changing landscape driven by economics outside of football. The driver is the offers on your table not on other people's. A good example is from rugby union a few years ago. Royal Bank of Scotland offered to renew their sponsorship of 6 Nations for a period of x amount of years (can't remember the exact term of the deal 3 or 5 years?). The deal was for 14 million.

A couple of the unions refused to sign it off as apparently it was under valued and not good enough? Then it became apparent RBS was the only contender for the sponsorship. The deal was agreed and signed about 6 months later but it was now a 6 million sponsorship for same period. Yes you can play hardball but it doesn't mean you will win.
 

GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,425
Perryccfc said:
Fuck me you are some doom and gloom merchant you are. Give it a rest
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lol - doom n gloom? What for stating facts? if you don’t like the truth then ignore it. Not hard now is it?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,426
GIMOC said:
well if you thought that you’d get rid asap. never great timing but we’re 2 days away from July with no sponsor and low corporate sales.
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Last season we didn't have a pitch until September so I'm quite calm about not having a shirt sponsor announced at theend of June.
As for the corporate, I've made it clear I think Kings messed up there.
 
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Balli001

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,427
GIMOC said:
lol - doom n gloom? What for stating facts? if you don’t like the truth then ignore it. Not hard now is it?
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How do we know its the truth though?
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,428
clint van damme said:
Last season we didn't have a pitch until September so I'm quite calm about not having a shirt sponsor announced at theend of June.
As for the corporate, I've made it clear I think Kings messed up there.
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but i thought king was a great businessman? The lack of sponsors coming forward along with low uptake of corporate sales is one of the same problem.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,429
Balli001 said:
How do we know its the truth though?
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we? I know it’s true, if you don’t want to believe that then fine.
 
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mr_monkey

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,430
Balli001 said:
How do we know its the truth though?
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Of course it's true he read it on twitter
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,431
GIMOC said:
we? I know it’s true, if you don’t want to believe that then fine.
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You even sound like Dawkins
 
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Balli001

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,432
GIMOC said:
we? I know it’s true, if you don’t want to believe that then fine.
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As per the other thread ill await offiial club confirmation of anything happening. Feel free to gloat if it is true but until i read something from the actual club it isnt truth.
 

Balli001

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,433
GIMOC said:
but i thought king was a great businessman? The lack of sponsors coming forward along with low uptake of corporate sales is one of the same problem.
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Genuinely fear for your sanity if they do actually get sponsorship and sell out corporate.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,434
Balli001 said:
How do we know its the truth though?
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We know corporate sales are poor.
We know we don't have a shirt sponsor.
We know we will lose 1, possinly 2 big players this window.

We also know we've got record ST sales with almost 6 weeks until the season starts.
We also know MR and AV have signed long term deals.
We also know the aforementioned player sale(s) will bring in a large sum of money to the club.

Yes, there's some things to be concerned about but there's reasons for optimism as well.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Jun 28, 2023
  • #1,435
Balli001 said:
Genuinely fear for your sanity if they do actually get sponsorship and sell out corporate.
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lol - of course we will get a sponsor. I haven’t said we wouldn’t. just haven’t got one yet. Wonder how many other teams are in the same position? As for corporate. Your living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that will sell out.
 
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