Government orders congestion charge on Coventry roads

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  1. hill83

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    Would love to see how an Electric Bus can get me to one side of the city for the school drop off and then back over to the other side of the city for work within 45 minutes.
     
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    Council/govt should put on free electric buses for school runs like in the States. Would solve loads of problems let alone air quality. I could cycle to work if I didn’t have the school run!

    (Oh, and the answer is: buy an electric car)
     
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    I would love to if they were actually affordable and I could reasonably use one.
     
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    Its only good if you can push people towards a viable alternative. Without public transport being up to scratch and / or less polluting vehicles being cheaper all you're doing is taxing people who have no alternative because the local council have failed to come up with an acceptable plan.
     
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    Bollocks. Might work in central London or large cities with decent infrastructure, but without efficient and cheap public transport this is a flat tax that will hurt the poorest most.

    OK if you've got a cushy fucking office job on the edge of town where you can work from home every now and then, not so good if you're say a care assistant on awkward shifts with a job across the city, and who probably needs to pick up and drop off the kids at set times.

    I'm all for green policies, not for brainless ones though.
     
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    Sure, because we're all minted and all of us only work 3 miles from home or at places with charging points. Get the infrastructure right, get buses back under regulation, and then look at where congestion charging might make a difference to behaviour. Otherwise you're punishing the poorest, as usual.
     
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    Have a sliding scale of fees based on the number of people in the car.
    Highest fee for single driver, less if you have a passenger.
    To encourage car-pooling.
    Have places outside the city with free parking where people can meet up and car-pool into the city.
    Businesses must be mandated to have work-from-home programs.
    All things that have been done elsewhere.
    This is not a new problem!
     
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    I wouldn't mind so much I'd I hadn't been encouraged to buy diesel not so long back as it was better for the environment!

    If my car then ends up unusable, what am I supposed to do?
     
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    Yeah exactly. I did the same too.
     
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    Brand new Renault Zoe is less than £18k.

    Second hand £7k.

    That’s before fuel/tax/maintenance/congestion charge savings.

    If you drive more than 100 miles a day fair enough, but I’d bet 99% of you don’t.
     
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    Isn’t it also £100 a month for battery hire? Lol you know think everyone can afford 18 grand - you really are an utter clown.
     
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    Sometimes if a trip to London is needed

    A Zoe would be too small.
     
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    If the poor have no bread let them eat cake.
     
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    Great stuff. You buying one for me?
     
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    You're right, most people have at least two cars so they can go more than 100 miles if the need arises. Even new, 100 miles might be optimistic at motorway speeds or with the heater on (and as everyone knows, batteries never degrade over time). https://www.speakev.com/threads/my-zoe-has-a-50-mile-range.6118/

    Plus no one in Coventry lives in flats or on streets where they couldn't run a charging cable overnight, and absolutely no one needs to move anything bigger than a couple of kids at a time. Just out of interest, have you got a Zoe mate, if not, why not?
     
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    I don't have £7k
     
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    Never thought I'd see Grendel as man of the people!
     
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    It’s £8,200 including the battery and that is for the cheapest car in the UK
     
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    His new job must be a competitor ;)

    Get me a discounted Tesla!
     
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    I don't have a problem with the concept of congestion charges if they fully fund a not for profit regulated public transport service.
     
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    That's the thing, there needs to be a decent alternative.
     
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    Yup. Moved into the city, and the bus service promptly stops going to the train station. Perish the thought I might want to take another form of public transport afterwards!
     
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    The council has just come up with a unique solution to alleviating congestion in Holbrooks every other Saturday.
     
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    Where exactly is the CAZ zone, is it all of the City ?! And what do they propose to charge people ?
     
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    The council are quite literally trolling

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    From what has been said, it would include most of the roads in and out of the city.
     
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    In Brum its going to be £8 to go inside the ring road (A4540 Middleway).

    Won't be the ring road here though as it'll have no impact so where else do you put it that will have the desired impact rather than just displacing traffic on to other routes increasing the issue you're trying to resolve?

    You could go A45, A46, M6 but then there's no obvious crossing point on the north west of the city and its debatable how much impact it would have as everyone in city would be able to continue driving round as usual.

    There's not really anything obvious to use.
     
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    You would think it would be the roads leading into the Ring Road.

    Radford Road, Hollyhead Road, Foleshill Road etc.
     
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    Certainly a step towards electric/hybrid but it will be phased in. Most petrol engines are acceptable (to the best of my knowledge) and it has restrictions on diesels over a certain age. Agree on the hilarity of diesel cars being pushed heavily not long ago, only to now decide they’re a disaster. The cynic in me suggests that - as well as this now - is to keep the motor trade fluid. Too many ‘old’ cars on the road in the view of the manufacturers.
     
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    In terms of environmental impact surely manufacturing the car in the first place has a big impact. Isn't taking working cars off the road and therefore requiring more cars being manufactured actually causing more issues than its solving?
     
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    My wife commutes over to UHCW 5 times a week, if that was in the zone as such and it was £8 a pop, it would cost her circa £1760 a year, she already pays £500 a year to park the car in the staff car park ?!
     
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    Would think that would be just outside the city centre so they wouldnt need to (if it is just about the city centre).
     
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    Just get a Zoe - problem solved
     
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