Government orders congestion charge on Coventry roads (1 Viewer)

hill83

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Government orders 'congestion charge' on Coventry roads

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Nick

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Would love to see how an Electric Bus can get me to one side of the city for the school drop off and then back over to the other side of the city for work within 45 minutes.
 

shmmeee

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Would love to see how an Electric Bus can get me to one side of the city for the school drop off and then back over to the other side of the city for work within 45 minutes.

Council/govt should put on free electric buses for school runs like in the States. Would solve loads of problems let alone air quality. I could cycle to work if I didn’t have the school run!

(Oh, and the answer is: buy an electric car)
 

duffer

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Bollocks. Might work in central London or large cities with decent infrastructure, but without efficient and cheap public transport this is a flat tax that will hurt the poorest most.

OK if you've got a cushy fucking office job on the edge of town where you can work from home every now and then, not so good if you're say a care assistant on awkward shifts with a job across the city, and who probably needs to pick up and drop off the kids at set times.

I'm all for green policies, not for brainless ones though.
 

duffer

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Council/govt should put on free electric buses for school runs like in the States. Would solve loads of problems let alone air quality. I could cycle to work if I didn’t have the school run!

(Oh, and the answer is: buy an electric car)

Sure, because we're all minted and all of us only work 3 miles from home or at places with charging points. Get the infrastructure right, get buses back under regulation, and then look at where congestion charging might make a difference to behaviour. Otherwise you're punishing the poorest, as usual.
 

Gazolba

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Have a sliding scale of fees based on the number of people in the car.
Highest fee for single driver, less if you have a passenger.
To encourage car-pooling.
Have places outside the city with free parking where people can meet up and car-pool into the city.
Businesses must be mandated to have work-from-home programs.
All things that have been done elsewhere.
This is not a new problem!
 

shmmeee

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Brand new Renault Zoe is less than £18k.

Second hand £7k.

That’s before fuel/tax/maintenance/congestion charge savings.

If you drive more than 100 miles a day fair enough, but I’d bet 99% of you don’t.
 

Grendel

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Brand new Renault Zoe is less than £18k.

Second hand £7k.

That’s before fuel/tax/maintenance/congestion charge savings.

If you drive more than 100 miles a day fair enough, but I’d bet 99% of you don’t.

Isn’t it also £100 a month for battery hire? Lol you know think everyone can afford 18 grand - you really are an utter clown.
 

Nick

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Brand new Renault Zoe is less than £18k.

Second hand £7k.

That’s before fuel/tax/maintenance/congestion charge savings.

If you drive more than 100 miles a day fair enough, but I’d bet 99% of you don’t.
Sometimes if a trip to London is needed

A Zoe would be too small.
 

Grendel

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Sometimes if a trip to London is needed

A Zoe would be too small.

If the poor have no bread let them eat cake.
 

hill83

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Brand new Renault Zoe is less than £18k.

Second hand £7k.

That’s before fuel/tax/maintenance/congestion charge savings.

If you drive more than 100 miles a day fair enough, but I’d bet 99% of you don’t.

Great stuff. You buying one for me?
 

duffer

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Brand new Renault Zoe is less than £18k.

Second hand £7k.

That’s before fuel/tax/maintenance/congestion charge savings.

If you drive more than 100 miles a day fair enough, but I’d bet 99% of you don’t.

You're right, most people have at least two cars so they can go more than 100 miles if the need arises. Even new, 100 miles might be optimistic at motorway speeds or with the heater on (and as everyone knows, batteries never degrade over time). https://www.speakev.com/threads/my-zoe-has-a-50-mile-range.6118/

Plus no one in Coventry lives in flats or on streets where they couldn't run a charging cable overnight, and absolutely no one needs to move anything bigger than a couple of kids at a time. Just out of interest, have you got a Zoe mate, if not, why not?
 

Nick

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Where exactly is the CAZ zone, is it all of the City ?! And what do they propose to charge people ?

The council are quite literally trolling

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From what has been said, it would include most of the roads in and out of the city.
 

chiefdave

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Where exactly is the CAZ zone, is it all of the City ?! And what do they propose to charge people ?
In Brum its going to be £8 to go inside the ring road (A4540 Middleway).

Won't be the ring road here though as it'll have no impact so where else do you put it that will have the desired impact rather than just displacing traffic on to other routes increasing the issue you're trying to resolve?

You could go A45, A46, M6 but then there's no obvious crossing point on the north west of the city and its debatable how much impact it would have as everyone in city would be able to continue driving round as usual.

There's not really anything obvious to use.
 

Nick

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In Brum its going to be £8 to go inside the ring road (A4540 Middleway).

Won't be the ring road here though as it'll have no impact so where else do you put it that will have the desired impact rather than just displacing traffic on to other routes increasing the issue you're trying to resolve?

You could go A45, A46, M6 but then there's no obvious crossing point on the north west of the city and its debatable how much impact it would have as everyone in city would be able to continue driving round as usual.

There's not really anything obvious to use.

You would think it would be the roads leading into the Ring Road.

Radford Road, Hollyhead Road, Foleshill Road etc.
 

SBAndy

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Certainly a step towards electric/hybrid but it will be phased in. Most petrol engines are acceptable (to the best of my knowledge) and it has restrictions on diesels over a certain age. Agree on the hilarity of diesel cars being pushed heavily not long ago, only to now decide they’re a disaster. The cynic in me suggests that - as well as this now - is to keep the motor trade fluid. Too many ‘old’ cars on the road in the view of the manufacturers.
 

chiefdave

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The cynic in me suggests that - as well as this now - is to keep the motor trade fluid. Too many ‘old’ cars on the road in the view of the manufacturers.
In terms of environmental impact surely manufacturing the car in the first place has a big impact. Isn't taking working cars off the road and therefore requiring more cars being manufactured actually causing more issues than its solving?
 

Ashdown

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My wife commutes over to UHCW 5 times a week, if that was in the zone as such and it was £8 a pop, it would cost her circa £1760 a year, she already pays £500 a year to park the car in the staff car park ?!
 

Nick

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My wife commutes over to UHCW 5 times a week, if that was in the zone as such and it was £8 a pop, it would cost her circa £1760 a year, she already pays £500 a year to park the car in the staff car park ?!

Would think that would be just outside the city centre so they wouldnt need to (if it is just about the city centre).
 

Grendel

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My wife commutes over to UHCW 5 times a week, if that was in the zone as such and it was £8 a pop, it would cost her circa £1760 a year, she already pays £500 a year to park the car in the staff car park ?!

Just get a Zoe - problem solved
 

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