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Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Goverment! (2 Viewers)

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Grendel

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  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #1
Ha ha history repeats itself

Jo Swinson becomes first woman to be elected leader of Liberal Democrats
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #2
“I will do whatever it takes to stop Brexit”

Hahahaha love it, what a joke of a party.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #3
I'm embarrassed for anybody who votes for that lot on a purely anti-Brexit ticket
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #4
fernandopartridge said:
I'm embarrassed for anybody who votes for that lot on a purely anti-Brexit ticket
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Not quite as embarrassing as those voting for the Brexit Party based purely on a pro-Brexit ticket. Oh, unless you are comfortable voting for a party happy to put candidates forward who believe in the rights of those wishing to download child porn.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #5
SIR ERNIE said:
“I will do whatever it takes to stop Brexit”

Hahahaha love it, what a joke of a party.
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Yes, fancy standing for an open tolerant Britain.. made you chuckle no doubt.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #6
martcov said:
Yes, fancy standing for an open tolerant Britain.. made you chuckle no doubt.
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The Lib Dem’s only stand for a Britain that the Tories create for them...

ministerial positions > actually making the country better
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #7
Ian1779 said:
The Lib Dem’s only stand for a Britain that the Tories create for them...

ministerial positions > actually making the country better
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I am for an open tolerant Britain even if that is not very „in“ at the moment. If they at least try, it’s better than an insular anti foreigner anti multilateral cooperation UK.
 

Ian1779

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  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #8
martcov said:
I am for an open tolerant Britain even if that is not very „in“ at the moment. If they at least try, it’s better than an insular anti foreigner anti multilateral cooperation UK.
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But they’d prop up a Tory govt in a heartbeat... not exactly an advert for an open tolerant Britain is it??
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #9
Sick Boy said:
Not quite as embarrassing as those voting for the Brexit Party based purely on a pro-Brexit ticket. Oh, unless you are comfortable voting for a party happy to put candidates forward who believe in the rights of those wishing to download child porn.
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Agree with you
 

Covkid1968#

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  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #10
She’s got my vote .... just means feck all in the Midlands as our City is labour and it’s Tory in the village I live in.

Really exasperated listening to pro brexit booming Britain.... are people that daft to think we are better off.... pffffffffff
 

Ian1779

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  • Jul 22, 2019
  • #11
Covkid1968# said:
She’s got my vote .... just means feck all in the Midlands as our City is labour and it’s Tory in the village I live in.

Really exasperated listening to pro brexit booming Britain.... are people that daft to think we are better off.... pffffffffff
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They are more inclined to think it can’t be much worse when they’ve been shat on for 40 years...
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #12
She's consistently voted with the government and helped facilitate austerity yet this appointment is being lauded by the centrists in Labour.
Just split the party now and let these fuckers go and do whatever it is they do in their little Hampstead bubble.
 
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JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #13
clint van damme said:
She's consistently voted with the government and helped facilitate austerity yet this appointment is being lauded by the centrists in Labour.
Just split the party now and let these fuckers go and do whatever it is they do in their little Hampstead bubble.
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Elected not appointed.
She voted for the government consistently when she was in the government. That's the way to works.

There are some exceptions; the Leader of The Opposition voted 428 times against the Labour government between 1997-2010, and with the vast majority of Conservative MPs (and against almost all his Labour colleagues) during the 2010-15 coalition on several occasions - including on Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bills (he voted with most Tories on three parts of this Bill's passage, on the length of transition period during which Control Orders remained in place, the transfer of resources during the switch from Control Orders to TPIMs and the relocation of Terrorist suspects) and the Protections of Freedoms Bill. All of these might have been tactical (voting with the Tories because he believe the legislation to be too right-wing, while they contend it's not right-wing enough) but this record makes it extremely hard to demand loyalty when you're suddenly in charge of the Whip.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #14
martcov said:
Yes, fancy standing for an open tolerant Britain.. made you chuckle no doubt.
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Ha ha ha she’s a grubby politician who’d side with Boris Johnson if he offered her Tory ministerial salary again - she voted more with the Tory whip than many on the Tory cabinet
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #15
JimmyHillsbeard said:
Elected not appointed.
She voted for the government consistently when she was in the government. That's the way to works.

There are some exceptions; the Leader of The Opposition voted 428 times against the Labour government between 1997-2010, and with the vast majority of Conservative MPs (and against almost all his Labour colleagues) during the 2010-15 coalition on several occasions - including on Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bills (he voted with most Tories on three parts of this Bill's passage, on the length of transition period during which Control Orders remained in place, the transfer of resources during the switch from Control Orders to TPIMs and the relocation of Terrorist suspects) and the Protections of Freedoms Bill. All of these might have been tactical (voting with the Tories because he believe the legislation to be too right-wing, while they contend it's not right-wing enough) but this record makes it extremely hard to demand loyalty when you're suddenly in charge of the Whip.
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You’ve failed to mention the hundreds of times he went against the whip to try and defend the poor, vulnerable, disabled, disenfranchised and those of minority faiths, sexuality and religion.

Imagine a Labour Party during the coalition that ABSTAINED on welfare sanctions and benefit cuts that would have contributed to the deaths of thousands of people.

I for one am glad he at least has some principles unlike Swinson.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #16
Ian1779 said:
They are more inclined to think it can’t be much worse when they’ve been shat on for 40 years...
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They may be in for a bit of a shock then....
 

JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #17
Ian1779 said:
You’ve failed to mention the hundreds of times he went against the whip to try and defend the poor, vulnerable, disabled, disenfranchised and those of minority faiths, sexuality and religion.

Imagine a Labour Party during the coalition that ABSTAINED on welfare sanctions and benefit cuts that would have contributed to the deaths of thousands of people.

I for one am glad he at least has some principles unlike Swinson.
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I'm not sure I disagree with much of this but the myth of Saint Jeremy's principles and voting record is ridiculously overblown.

For example in 2003 he abstained in the vote that tried to keep Section 28 on the statute.
He was paid £10k+ by the media arm of a government that throws homosexuals off buildings for the crime of being gay.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #18
Ian1779 said:
But they’d prop up a Tory govt in a heartbeat... not exactly an advert for an open tolerant Britain is it??
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Not a foregone conclusion. Anyway, more likely to be dealing with labour than the Tories.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #19
martcov said:
Not a foregone conclusion. Anyway, more likely to be dealing with labour than the Tories.
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Why would a leader whose more Tory than some tories side with labour?
 

Ian1779

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #20
martcov said:
Not a foregone conclusion. Anyway, more likely to be dealing with labour than the Tories.
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There is also the possibility that Labour deal direct with SNP/PC/Green and circumvent them entirely.
 

fatso

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #21
Just another anti democracy party.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #22
fatso said:
Just another anti democracy party.
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Like BXP. Führerprinzip Party.
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #23
martcov said:
Yes, fancy standing for an open tolerant Britain
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They’re about as far from open and tolerant as you can get.


They’re an undemocratic bunch of shysters, now led by a scruffy looking 40 year old woman………………………………………..
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fatso

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #24
martcov said:
Like BXP. Führerprinzip Party.
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Not really no.
The bxp stand for delivering the democratically voted will of the population.
The liberal party are actively seeking to block the will of the people.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #25
martcov said:
Yes, fancy standing for an open tolerant Britain.. made you chuckle no doubt.
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This lady voted with the tories on many policies that helped lead to massive poverty and suffering... Sooooo progressive
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #26
To be honest I'm massively anti brexit but the way it has become a defining issue over anything else is fucking pathetic.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #27
fatso said:
Not really no.
The bxp stand for delivering the democratically voted will of the population.
The liberal party are actively seeking to block the will of the people.
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...by seeking a vote by the people.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #28
Deleted member 5849 said:
...by seeking a vote by the people.
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Why are we still doing this, still playing dumb.

They haven't even delivered on the first vote yet, that's not democracy full stop
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #29
Grendel said:
Why would a leader whose more Tory than some tories side with labour?
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Because Boris isn’t going to agree to a second referendum, there’s a will within both labour MP’s and party members to agree to a second referendum. Then again if Boris thought he could hold onto power in some way he might just agree to a second referendum.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 23, 2019
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Evo1883 said:
Why are we still doing this, still playing dumb.

They haven't even delivered on the first vote yet, that's not democracy full stop
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The only dumb is considering democracy something where people are not allowed to change their minds, and not allowed to voie once they have better knowledge of the facts.

The only dumb is wanting parliament to be sovereign, but not wanting parliament to be sovereign.

Actually, the most anti-democratic stuff around here are the lazy one-liners with zero substance behind them. They're the territory of the intellectually absent.

And as you well know, it's Rees-Mogg and co. that have stopped us leaving, so it appears the ERG are the most anti-democratic bunch of the lot.
 
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fatso

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #31
Deleted member 5849 said:
...by seeking a vote by the people.
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Exactly, the irony however is completely lost on them.
They are clearly not very bright.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #32
In tribute to Boris I predict we will do a league 1 and FA cup double next season.

Any City fan questioning that and quoting playing budgets, tactical acumen of the manager, ability of the squad and decreased crowds due to being booted out of the Ricoh is just been negative, all we need is positive thinking!!
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #33
Deleted member 5849 said:
The only dumb is considering democracy something where people are not allowed to change their minds, and not allowed to voie once they have better knowledge of the facts.

The only dumb is wanting parliament to be sovereign, but not wanting parliament to be sovereign.

Actually, the most anti-democratic stuff around here are the lazy one-liners with zero substance behind them. They're the territory of the intellectually absent.

And as you well know, it's Rees-Mogg and co. that have stopped us leaving, so it appears the ERG are the most anti-democratic bunch of the lot.
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No I'm saying that the original vote must be implemented first... Then the country can look and see if the correct decision was made several years down the line... Much like a normal election.


We don't just throw tantrums and decide to fuck over 52% of the nation because of feelings
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #34
Evo1883 said:
No I'm saying that the original vote must be implemented first... Then the country can look and see if the correct decision was made several years down the line... Much like a normal election.


We don't just throw tantrums and decide to fuck over 52% of the nation because of feelings
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So... blame the ERG for stopping us leaving! They're the undemocratic ones!
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jul 23, 2019
  • #35
Given the closeness of the vote a soft brexit would probably have been the best outcome, it takes us out of the union like 52% wanted but keeps some of the benefits like the 48% wanted. Instead we've ended up with hairline faction on both sides where some are standing with their backs to things they don't like and others happy to parade around in "bollocks to brexit" t-shirts when they should be doing some proper work to sort out the multitudes problems we have.

The country is a laughing stock.
 
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