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Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

Its all getting very very silly now. The race card is being played for fun.
You can say Akinfenwa is an oversized, fat, lazy useless lump of lard but because a buffalo might have dark skin that's going too far.
Its laughable. I lose respect for people like Akinfenwa when he says things like this. He's just trying to stir the pot and it's a pretty poor attempt .
Its his size that's brought about this, nothing else. Perhaps he should blame his mum or bullying at school.

ccfc92 · Jul 9, 2020

dubed said:
Racist abuse in football is real. A number of us have on occasions witnessed shocking, and deeply embarrassing, behaviour from our own 'fans'. But doesn't the below verge on the right not to be offended?

Wycombe's Adebayo Akinfenwa says he was racially abused during Monday's League One play-off match against Fleetwood.

The 38-year-old striker says he found out after the game that he was was referred to as a "fat water buffalo" by a representative from the opposition.

"I believe it dehumanises me as a black man by associating me to a water buffalo, a dark animal, in a derogatory manner," Akinfenwa said in a statement.

Adebayo Akinfenwa: Wycombe striker says he was racially abused in play-off tie

ccfc92 · Jul 9, 2020

Marty said:

Marty · Jul 9, 2020

ccfc92 said:

Too slow mate.

clint van damme · Jul 9, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Its all getting very very silly now. The race card is being played for fun.
You can say Akinfenwa is an oversized, fat, lazy useless lump of lard but because a buffalo might have dark skin that's going too far.
Its laughable. I lose respect for people like Akinfenwa when he says things like this. He's just trying to stir the pot and it's a pretty poor attempt .
Its his size that's brought about this, nothing else. Perhaps he should blame his mum or bullying at school.

You really think that having just got to a play off final at Wembley he decided to go public with this just to 'stir the pot'.

I can't see it personally.

David O'Day · Jul 9, 2020

clint van damme said:
You really think that having just got to a play off final at Wembley he decided to go public with this just to 'stir the pot'.

I can't see it personally.

ADM is weirdo Clint

Skybluefaz · Jul 9, 2020

clint van damme said:
You really think that having just got to a play off final at Wembley he decided to go public with this just to 'stir the pot'.

I can't see it personally.

The race card card thing is a tell in itself, still not sure how the lad on the bike was 'playing the race card' after being accused of it by @Earlsdon_Skyblue1 the irony being that earlsdon entered this thread by trying to gaslight the black lives matter phrase by using his race.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 9, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
For years, the image of a black man or woman as sexualised, savage, uncivilised has been used as a racial stereotype in opposition.to cultured, civilised, intellectual whites.

It's pretty offensive, as it continues a racist trope over a period of centuries. I think it's safe to say where they were heading.

“Linford Christie is way out in front in every department, and we don’t just mean the way he stormed to victory in the 100 metres. His skin tight lycra shorts hide little as he pounds down the track and his Olympic-sized talents are a source of delight to women around the world. But the mystery remains- just what does Linford, 32, pack in that famous lunchbox?”
(The Sun 6/8/92)

The stereotype is even repeated when reporting about him complaining about it, too!

Because the same paper having page 3 definitely promoted those white girls as cultured, civilised and intellectual...as well as that page 7 fella that appeared for a short while.

As has been mentioned there were plenty of other black athletes who weren't subjected to the same. Fact is his clothing made it quite clear he was quite well blessed. Pretty much everyone watching noticed. It had nothing to do with a racial sterotype and everything to do with his actual physique.

Now you can argue that it was crass but loads of women had their achievements overlooked for their physical appearance too. But one thing it wasn't was racist. Had a white guy come out with that much of a bulge in his pants it would've been mentioned as well.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 9, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's a longstanding sexualisation of the Other, making them objects as opposed to whites. Sarah Baartman's a fine example of it happening centuries earlier.

There is also a racist sterotype of white trash as well.

chiefdave · Jul 9, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Its his size that's brought about this, nothing else. Perhaps he should blame his mum or bullying at school.

He's not fat though, bloke is ripped to the point he can hardly run!

Grendel · Jul 9, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
There is also a racist sterotype of white trash as well.

The press at that time would just single out features to mock - especially characters like Christie who was never a natural friend of Fleet Street

Meghan Markle had it easy compared to say Sarah Ferguson. She was called the Duchess of Pork and one tabloid had a picture of her (as a pig) and a goat and there was a poll to decide who you’d rather have sex with. Answer next day 80% want sex with the goat than old porky.

Eastenders when it had a gay character - east benders

Luke Chadwick has a pizza for a face and it now transpires needed counselling as the abuse was relentless

Christie has a big dick (some would say he is a big dick and of course mired in controversy) it’s not a great example

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 9, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Because the same paper having page 3 definitely promoted those white girls as cultured, civilised and intellectual...as well as that page 7 fella that appeared for a short while.

As has been mentioned there were plenty of other black athletes who weren't subjected to the same. Fact is his clothing made it quite clear he was quite well blessed. Pretty much everyone watching noticed. It had nothing to do with a racial sterotype and everything to do with his actual physique.

Now you can argue that it was crass but loads of women had their achievements overlooked for their physical appearance too. But one thing it wasn't was racist. Had a white guy come out with that much of a bulge in his pants it would've been mentioned as well.

Totally irrelevant. I can get you quotes from lots of papers, I've shown the historical precedent.

The depiction of black man and woman as sexualised, deviant, is a racist stereotype.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

David O'Day said:
ADM is weirdo Clint

Says the man who's suddenly decided he's changed skin colour to suit the occasion.

Will you be changing your God next time there's a terrorist attack ?

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

chiefdave said:
He's not fat though, bloke is ripped to the point he can hardly run!

He is indeed and clearly he's made himself that way: big, powerful, heavy . I'd rather think a buffalo was like a battering ram. The comparison if anything is probably complimentary under almost most circumstances but sadly the colour of a buffalo appears to be causing offence. I never noticed before what colour a buffalo was. I bet not many people had really noticed either.
Now we all know. Its pathetic.

Sick Boy · Jul 9, 2020

chiefdave said:
He's not fat though, bloke is ripped to the point he can hardly run!

Yeah the notion that he’s fat is absurd.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

clint van damme said:
You really think that having just got to a play off final at Wembley he decided to go public with this just to 'stir the pot'.

I can't see it personally.

I can . It keeps it in the public eye.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Yeah the notion that he’s fat is absurd.

The point is it's fine to call a footballer a fat bastard, lazy, money grabbing, Judas, woman beater, a c**t, etc. Its heard every week at every game.
However, a buffalo is going too far because of its colour.
Really ?

Ring Of Steel · Jul 9, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
The point is it's fine to call a footballer a fat bastard, lazy, money grabbing, Judas, woman beater, a c**t, etc. Its heard every week at every game.
However, a buffalo is going too far because of its colour.
Really ?

So are you saying Raheem Sterling raises the issue of racism in order to stay in the public eye?

Skybluefaz · Jul 9, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
The point is it's fine to call a footballer a fat bastard, lazy, money grabbing, Judas, woman beater, a c**t

It's not fine though is it really? None of us are perfect though and have undoubtedly indulged in a bit of that. Maybe Bayo feels it is right given the current state of affairs that he should shine a light on those comments. No doubt he's been a victim of racist abuse before on multiple occasions, one of our fans subjected him to some racist abuse over Twitter. He's probably fucking sick of it. Like all of us should be.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 9, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Totally irrelevant. I can get you quotes from lots of papers, I've shown the historical precedent.

The depiction of black man and woman as sexualised, deviant, is a racist stereotype.

Beyonce, Rhianna etc perform very sexual dances in skimpy outfits. Strong, independent black women
Miley Cyrus, white girl bands do the same - naive little girls exploited because they're slutty fame whores.

As I said Christie wasn't mentioned because it's a black stereotype. It's because he had a very noticeable appendage in his outfit when he was running.

Marty · Jul 9, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
It's not fine though is it really? None of us are perfect though and have undoubtedly indulged in a bit of that. Maybe Bayo feels it is right given the current state of affairs that he should shine a light on those comments. No doubt he's been a victim of racist abuse before on multiple occasions, one of our fans subjected him to some racist abuse over Twitter. He's probably fucking sick of it. Like all of us should be.

I'm not sure how he can whinge about something that he calls himself?

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 9, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Beyonce, Rhianna etc perform very sexual dances in skimpy outfits. Strong, independent black women
Miley Cyrus, white girl bands do the same - naive little girls exploited because they're slutty fame whores.

As I said Christie wasn't mentioned because it's a black stereotype. It's because he had a very noticeable appendage in his outfit when he was running.

Linford Christie says it's racist, it's a known racist trope over the centuries... but it's not racist?

Media propogates a racist sterotype, media also does some other bad things, and this is said for what reason exactly?

The reasoning is getting perilously close to the origin of this thread, where part of the rising up after george Floyd's murder was because some of the justification was he had a criminal past.

It's irrelevant.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
So are you saying Raheem Sterling raises the issue of racism in order to stay in the public eye?

Have I ever mentioned raheem sterling ?
He loves publicity however he can get it. Remember the explanation for the gun tattoo ? Absolute classic. He hasn't got much going on top side has he?
Am I saying that because he's black though or because I think he's a tosser ?

Ring Of Steel · Jul 9, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Have I ever mentioned raheem sterling ?

I know. Your point is that this gets raised to stay in the public eye and it’s “playing the race card”. Raheem Sterling has also been vocal about racism in football- do you apply the same explanation to that?

Ring Of Steel · Jul 9, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Have I ever mentioned raheem sterling ?
He loves publicity however he can get it. Remember the explanation for the gun tattoo ? Absolute classic. He hasn't got much going on top side has he?
Am I saying that because he's black though or because I think he's a tosser ?

Neither, you’re saying it because you’re attempting to sidestep answering the question.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I know. Your point is that this gets raised to stay in the public eye and it’s “playing the race card”. Raheem Sterling has also been vocal about racism in football- do you apply the same explanation to that?

He has a tattoo on his leg of a gun. A big one. I think it's because his uncle was shot dead.
Its a bit like a family relative of a victim of the Yorkshire ripper getting Peter Sutcliffe's face tattooed on their body.
Bearing that in mind I usually laugh at anything raheem sterling says.

Skybluefaz · Jul 9, 2020

Marty said:
I'm not sure how he can whinge about something that he calls himself?

It's hardly the same, think about context.

Ring Of Steel · Jul 9, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
He has a tattoo on his leg of a gun. A big one. I think it's because his uncle was shot dead.
Its a bit like a family relative of a victim of the Yorkshire ripper getting Peter Sutcliffe's face tattooed on their body.
Bearing that in mind I usually laugh at anything raheem sterling says.

Did you laugh when he talked about those blokes doing monkey chants at him?

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Neither, you’re saying it because you’re attempting to sidestep answering the question.

You always say that when you don't get the answer you want.
Raheem sterling is generally disliked amongst football fans outside of Manchester . You'd love to say it's racism because you think you have the moral high ground as usual.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Did you laugh when he talked about those blokes doing monkey chants at him?

Did you ? Did you do anything to help stamp it out or just whing on here ?

Ring Of Steel · Jul 9, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
You always say that when you don't get the answer you want.
Raheem sterling is generally disliked amongst football fans outside of Manchester . You'd love to say it's racism because you think you have the moral high ground as usual.

I’ll just ask one more time- so you don’t think there is any racism there?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 9, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Linford Christie says it's racist, it's a known racist trope over the centuries... but it's not racist?

Media propogates a racist sterotype, media also does some other bad things, and this is said for what reason exactly?

The reasoning is getting perilously close to the origin of this thread, where part of the rising up after george Floyd's murder was because some of the justification was he had a criminal past.

It's irrelevant.

Netenyahu says criticising him is anti-Semitic. Just because someone thinks something doesn't mean its true. It's not like it's a trope that the black community have preyed upon over the years is it? "Once you go black you don't go back"

Linford Christie appeared to have a large penis that was very prominent in his running wear. That's the fact. It's not something that was imagined because he's black. It was there for everyone to see. Had it beena white guy it would've been noticed and mentioned as well. Say if Roger Black had appeared that well endowed he'd have become referred to as something like Todger Black.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 9, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
I’ll just ask one more time- so you don’t think there is any racism there?

One more time ? Or else what ?

RegTheDonk · Jul 9, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
... Had a white guy come out with that much of a bulge in his pants it would've been mentioned as well.

Like that chap auditioning on X-Factor. He was crap but you can see why they put him in front of the judges.

Skybluefaz · Jul 9, 2020

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Raheem sterling is generally disliked amongst football fans outside of Manchester.

Is he? Where is the evidence for that? As for your tattoo analogy, he'd have to have the face of the person who murdered his father tattooed on him for it to make sense.

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