Brighton Sky Blue
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I didn’t add the framing to the question that you seem to think I did. I don’t see a problem with wanting a more factually accurate account of the past being given in the info, that’s all.
Do you disagree with how the Crimean war was ended? Why is the 100 year war actually more than 100 years? Why did Eve eat the apple?
I'm not suggesting decolonisation was peaceful. But this notion that we should be so guilty of what happened in the past is ridiculous. If they're going to do that they should include who ended slavery first, and where it still goes on.
But no. Crickets.
you're talking to someone who would reintroduce slavery tomorrow if he could.
Not sure he’s ever said that
he accuses others of saying a lot of things they haven't. I'm not interested in his racist bollocks any more.
I've only got one person blocked, that other racist fuck Gazbola, he can go on ignore with that alt right fucker.
I didn’t add the framing to the question that you seem to think I did. I don’t see a problem with wanting a more factually accurate account of the past being given in the info, that’s all.
like you regarding the quite large number of far right figures who've been done for sex offences including those against children.
Like you when the New Zealand mosque attack happened.
Like you when ever there's a right wing terrorist incident or discussion. Like I say, totting up process over a long period but it's seeping out.
I generally don't have a problem with it at all either, it is just that everything is so one sided at the moment and almost an attempt to try and compensate for stuff that happened in the past whilst causing more tension now.
I guess that’s happening because of years of it going unnoticed or ignored. So there’s a dash to make wholesale changes which otherwise wouldn’t have been necessary.
he accuses others of saying a lot of things they haven't. I'm not interested in his racist bollocks any more.
I've only got one person blocked, that other racist fuck Gazbola, he can go on ignore with that alt right fucker.
It's where and why you're going from and to that's the issue. Some try and skew perception...I believe we have to be able to discuss problems rationally.. I see many people from the right and left throwing an awful lot of whataboutery around and this is part of the problem.
I should be able to tell you that terrorism kills 21000 people every year on average in the last decade and its a majority Islamic problem. And we should be able to discuss that without being branded racist etc..
I should be able to tell you that young black males commit more crime by % of population and we should be able to discuss that... Without being branded racist etc.
I should be able to tell you that grooming gangs in the UK are a problem mostly within the Pakistani Muslim community... We should be able to discuss that without being branded racist etc..
If I told you that white makes are the biggest perpetrator of rape as a whole, you'd already know that and we could have that discussion without the whataboutery...
We won't all agree, but without rational debate, without fear of being branded racist, islamophobic etc... We will never EVER be able to solve Britain's problems.
This is simply common sense..
Leave the whataboutery for the like of Owen Jones and Paul Joseph Watson.
It's where and why you're going from and to that's the issue. Some try and skew perception...
But that's the thing, it needs support and dragging people up, rather than demonising and skewing to fit a warped world view.In regards to George Floyd, I Do firmly believe that police in America need to be much better within the community and the way they engage suspects...
But doing something about the police, without doing something about the level of crime within the African American community will lead to zero progress..
We know that things like poverty play a part in crime, but there is still a large disparity in crime levels between black and white youths in America...
THAT needs rectifying, could take decades
But that's the thing, it needs support and dragging people up, rather than demonising and skewing to fit a warped world view.
There are many posters who drive me mad at times (and probably I them!), but if I step back I can accept that ultimately they have a certain integrity in where they're coming from. A small minority however...
It's where and why you're going from and to that's the issue. Some try and skew perception...
I believe we have to be able to discuss problems rationally.. I see many people from the right and left throwing an awful lot of whataboutery around and this is part of the problem.
I should be able to tell you that terrorism kills 21000 people every year on average in the last decade and its a majority Islamic problem. And we should be able to discuss that without being branded racist etc..
I should be able to tell you that young black males commit more crime by % of population and we should be able to discuss that... Without being branded racist etc.
I should be able to tell you that grooming gangs in the UK are a problem mostly within the Pakistani Muslim community... We should be able to discuss that without being branded racist etc..
If I told you that white males are the biggest perpetrator of rape as a whole, you'd already know that and we could have that discussion without the whataboutery...
We won't all agree, but without rational debate, without fear of being branded racist, islamophobic etc... We will never EVER be able to solve Britain's problems.
This is simply common sense..
Leave the whataboutery for the like of Owen Jones and Paul Joseph Watson.
We know that things like poverty play a part in crime, but there is still a large disparity in crime levels between black and white youths in America .
But it has also been shown that the treatment of white and black youths in similar situations are often very different. White kids are more likely to be let off with a slap on the wrist for things like minor drug offences etc. Black kids aren't and are far more likely to face prosecution and be convicted.
Just to make absolutely clear, it's not a black problem, either.Whilst I don't disagree, incidents involving black individuals and the police are far more publicised often leading to massive sway in opinion... When you actually look at the levels of crime and interactions with the police, the levels of 'brutality' suddenly become less glaring based solely on race...
The problem is we are told over and over again what to believe but the statistics show (whilst still showing racial bias) that the problem is not just a police problem
I think all of it again comes down to taking responsibility for actions and people facing up to the reality of things. (regardless of colour).
If somebody is white, black or asian and is a c**t. People really shouldn't be going out of the way to excuse it "Oh but they are poor" type shite if the person is a wrongun.
nor should they dismiss the possibility that an officer has profiled someone on their appearance or where they're from and reacted according to his own preconceived view. Whether that is of the persons colour, appearance or where they're from.
Exactly, there needs to be proof to show that though. It isn't everything is racist until proven otherwise.
Just to make absolutely clear, it's not a black problem, either.
I agree, but when I saw that video of the Leeds fan I couldn't see the lad was black because his face was distorted but I still thought that is horrendous and the police shouldn't be doing that regardless of his colour or what he's done which let's face it, as he was out celebrating his teams promotion was probably something pretty minor.
Whilst I don't disagree, incidents involving black individuals and the police are far more publicised often leading to massive sway in opinion... When you actually look at the levels of crime and interactions with the police, the levels of 'brutality' suddenly become less glaring based solely on race...
The problem is we are told over and over again what to believe but the statistics show (whilst still showing racial bias) that the problem is not just a police problem
Were either of them black or should I say none white ?Seen pictures today of a Leeds fan being arrested and the copper had his knee in his kneck.. Think he's been suspended
I dare say because the lad was white, and a football supporter, it won't get much air time on the nationals. However, if the copper had his knee on his neck, it should , in keeping with the London incident, where a violent scumbag also resisted arrest but which also promoted hysterics because of his colour.It wasn't really that horrendous, they had their knee on his head and another officer had been attacked. The lad in Leeds was white I think but resisting arrest. Again, don't resist arrest and be a c**t and you don't get a knee on your head.
It's the same with bouncers in a way, of course there are some bouncers who are absolute pricks but when you go out now you see people in their faces giving it loads because the bouncers cant do anything about it. When I first started going out at about 15-16 if that happened you would get your head taken off.
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