Game of thrones (Again) (2 Viewers)

fellatio_Martinez · May 17, 2019

Otis said:
I can understand that people dislike it, but I would hardly say it doesn't make sense.

I have enjoyed the season and know how difficult it must be to reach a conclusion and tie up so many loose ends in just 6 episodes.

I had no problem with Cersei's death (if she is actually dead) and Dany's drecent into madness makes perfect sense too, as does Sansa's bitterness and Ayra's fluctuation from scared little girl to tough as old boots warrior and back again.

Just one episode to go and it will then be all over anyway. Only that be dragon attack that has irked me in any way, shape or form.

I can't wait until Sunday.

Do you know why there are only 6 episodes? Because David Weiss and David Benioff, who are the show runners refused to do anymore. HBO begged them for at least two more seasons but they wanted to piss off and make Star Wars.

So they have rushed out a half baked final season.

Do you think that Danerys killing thousands of innocent people at the drop of a hat made sense? The woman who consistently vowed never to kill innocents and who once jailed her dragons because they ate a kid? She spent 7 fucking seasons preaching about being a just queen.

I understand that she was on a descent into madness and could have eventually commited genocide but I'm meant to believe that she did it on whim because she was upset?!

The writers could have given us great moments throughout the season that showed that she was truly cracking. Something brooding and foreboding which GOT used to be so good at.

But we just got her looking a bit moody on her dragon and then toasting women and children even after winning the battle. Now she's a villain with almost no character development to justify that huge leap.

That's one example of why people feel letdown. There are many more.

Otis · May 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
Do you know why there are only 6 episodes? Because David Weiss and David Benioff, who are the show runners refused to do anymore. HBO begged them for at least two more seasons but they wanted to piss off and make Star Wars.

So they have rushed out a half baked final season.

Do you think that Danerys killing thousands of innocent people at the drop of a hat made sense? The woman who consistently vowed never to kill innocents and who once jailed her dragons because they ate a kid? She spent 7 fucking seasons preaching about being a just queen.

I understand that she was on a descent into madness and could have eventually commited genocide but I'm meant to believe that she did it on whim because she was upset?!

The writers could have given us great moments throughout the season that showed that she was truly cracking. Something brooding and foreboding which GOT used to be so good at.

But we just got her looking a bit moody on her dragon and then toasting women and children even after winning the battle. Now she's a villain with almost no character development to justify that huge leap.

That's one example of why people feel letdown. There are many more.

Yes, the Dany killing spree made sense to me. She has become overrun with rage and has been clearly losing the plot.

I have no problems with it.

dutchman · May 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
But we just got her looking a bit moody on her dragon and then toasting women and children even after winning the battle. Now she's a villain with almost no character development to justify that huge leap.

Yes, anyone would think she was the daughter of a mad king or something?

vow · May 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
Do you know why there are only 6 episodes? Because David Weiss and David Benioff, who are the show runners refused to do anymore. HBO begged them for at least two more seasons but they wanted to piss off and make Star Wars.

So they have rushed out a half baked final season.

Do you think that Danerys killing thousands of innocent people at the drop of a hat made sense? The woman who consistently vowed never to kill innocents and who once jailed her dragons because they ate a kid? She spent 7 fucking seasons preaching about being a just queen.

I understand that she was on a descent into madness and could have eventually commited genocide but I'm meant to believe that she did it on whim because she was upset?!

The writers could have given us great moments throughout the season that showed that she was truly cracking. Something brooding and foreboding which GOT used to be so good at.

But we just got her looking a bit moody on her dragon and then toasting women and children even after winning the battle. Now she's a villain with almost no character development to justify that huge leap.

That's one example of why people feel letdown. There are many more.

It's almost turning into "doing a Dexter" final season :emoji_confused:

olderskyblue · May 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
Do you know why there are only 6 episodes? Because David Weiss and David Benioff, who are the show runners refused to do anymore. HBO begged them for at least two more seasons but they wanted to piss off and make Star Wars.

So they have rushed out a half baked final season.

Do you think that Danerys killing thousands of innocent people at the drop of a hat made sense? The woman who consistently vowed never to kill innocents and who once jailed her dragons because they ate a kid? She spent 7 fucking seasons preaching about being a just queen.

I understand that she was on a descent into madness and could have eventually commited genocide but I'm meant to believe that she did it on whim because she was upset?!

The writers could have given us great moments throughout the season that showed that she was truly cracking. Something brooding and foreboding which GOT used to be so good at.

But we just got her looking a bit moody on her dragon and then toasting women and children even after winning the battle. Now she's a villain with almost no character development to justify that huge leap.

That's one example of why people feel letdown. There are many more.

There have been signs throughout the seasons that she has been on the edge. To want to watch her brother die as he had been cruel to her, and so many others she has killed, even the wights in mass slaughter. It's been building up all the way through for her to be "that" woman. The last 2 seasons she has killed using the dragon in a very personal way too. Must admit, I expected her to lose it and "burn them all". The show has been building to just that.

I have had no major issue with any of it, except for the Ed Sheeran cameo.

dutchman · May 17, 2019

Also she sounded totally unconvinced when asked to call off the attack if they heard the bells tolled.

dutchman · May 17, 2019

olderskyblue said:
not really. it has been discussed as a weapon for this series between cersei and Qyburn

Tommo1993 said:
Cersei used wildfire to blow up the Great Sept of Baelor didn’t she.

So where was it during the battle of Kings Landing?

olderskyblue · May 17, 2019

dutchman said:
So where was it during the battle of Kings Landing?

You didn't see it exploding? I've only watched on an ipad so far, but saw plumes of green smoke.

dutchman · May 17, 2019

olderskyblue said:
You didn't see it exploding? I've only watched on an ipad so far, but saw plumes of green smoke.

Yes I noticed that but we didn't see it actually being used against the enemy.

olderskyblue · May 17, 2019

dutchman said:
Yes I noticed that but we didn't see it actually being used against the enemy.

No, that's true, but I always saw that as Cersei's "i'll burn them all" moment, so Dany had no city or people at the end of it, rather than to try to defeat them.

fellatio_Martinez · May 17, 2019

dutchman said:
Yes, anyone would think she was the daughter of a mad king or something?

That's completely missing the point and I already explained that everyone knew that Danerys had the capacity to become mad.

Here's the issue, again. She went from being upset about her mate dying and her nephew not shagging her into a becoming a mass murdering lunatic, in the space of one scene, without any proper context as to what made her crack.

That's shit writing, full stop.

vow said:
It's almost turning into "doing a Dexter" final season :emoji_confused:

That's gone through my head too. Dexter went from being amazing TV to some kind of awful soap opera.

Nick · May 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
She went from being upset about her mate dying and her nephew not shagging her into a becoming a mass murdering lunatic

I'd be the same to be fair.

olderskyblue · May 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
That's completely missing the point and I already explained that everyone knew that Danerys had the capacity to become mad.

Here's the issue, again. She went from being upset about her mate dying and her nephew not shagging her into a becoming a mass murdering lunatic, in the space of one scene, without any proper context as to what made her crack.

That's shit writing, full stop.

I always saw the cracks of madness there, and getting wider as the seasons progressed. Finding she was no longer the rightful heir to the throne, something she thought she was born for, and destined for all her life suddenly opened that thin line into a chasm, and moved her right over the edge, add to that the loss of her main close allies, and losing Jon Snow as a love interest... imho, it made sense. It was all a huge challenge to what she thought, for her whole life, was pre-detemined. That would have a major affect on her sanity.

It also laid down a huge marker to Jon, or anyone else, that wants to challenge her.

Otis · May 17, 2019

olderskyblue said:
I always saw the cracks of madness there, and getting wider as the seasons progressed. Finding she was no longer the rightful heir to the throne, something she thought she was born for, and destined for all her life suddenly opened that thin line into a chasm, and moved her right over the edge, add to that the loss of her main close allies, and losing Jon Snow as a love interest... imho, it made sense. It was all a huge challenge to what she thought, for her whole life, was pre-detemined. That would have a major affect on her sanity.

It also laid down a huge marker to Jon, or anyone else, that wants to challenge her.

Yep. I saw the descent over so much more than just one scene. It has been coming for weeks now.

fellatio_Martinez · May 17, 2019

Otis said:
Yep. I saw the descent over so much more than just one scene. It has been coming for weeks now.

No one is disputing the fact that she was becoming disillusioned and a bit paranoid over the previous four episodes but not enough to justify the massive leap. For such a huge character to completely change her moral path, it requires more than a few moments interspersed through hours of TV to make the pay off worthwhile.

I don't know how you can't see that as an issue. Fair enough if it just doesn't bother you but to dismiss it doesn't make sense.

SkyBlueScottie · May 17, 2019

The pacing doesn't make sense, particularly Dany's descent, but what can you do, everyone is constrained by time, contracts etc, so we just have to "suspend belief"

fellatio_Martinez · May 17, 2019

SkyBlueScottie said:
The pacing doesn't make sense, particularly Dany's descent, but what can you do, everyone is constrained by time, contracts etc, so we just have to "suspend belief"

They had plenty of time this season to develop her madness. Episodes 1-2 and 4 were padded out with inconsequential guff.

olderskyblue · May 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
They had plenty of time this season to develop her madness. Episodes 1-2 and 4 were padded out with inconsequential guff.

I'm sure cc4l will be along soon to give you some advice.. :emoji_sunglasses:

fellatio_Martinez · May 17, 2019

olderskyblue said:
I'm sure cc4l will be along soon to give you some advice.. :emoji_sunglasses:

He watches the Eastenders omnibus on Fridays so he may be some time.

Otis · May 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
No one is disputing the fact that she was becoming disillusioned and a bit paranoid over the previous four episodes but not enough to justify the massive leap. For such a huge character to completely change her moral path, it requires more than a few moments interspersed through hours of TV to make the pay off worthwhile.

I don't know how you can't see that as an issue. Fair enough if it just doesn't bother you but to dismiss it doesn't make sense.

I am not dismissing it. It just all played out fine to me over a number of episodes and I could see the cracks slowly appearing

I even predicted it to friends in advance, so no major shift at all for me in cararterisation.

Nick · May 17, 2019

Otis said:
I am not dismissing it. It just all played out fine to me over a number of episodes and I could see the cracks slowly appearing

I even predicted it to friends in advance, so no major shift at all for me in cararterisation.

There has been a crack shortage in the recent series.

Can only think of the start with Bron so far when they walked in asking him to kill the Lannisters.

Saying that, was Bron even in the last episode?

Otis · May 17, 2019

Nope.

Nick · May 17, 2019

Was he in the one before? Was it that one where he walked in and threatened the Lannisters or was that the one before that?

He will have to make an appearance in the last one I guess, will be a bit random for him to just be forgotten.

Otis · May 17, 2019

Yes the one before the fire breathing dragon wipe out one.

fellatio_Martinez · May 17, 2019

Otis said:
I am not dismissing it. It just all played out fine to me over a number of episodes and I could see the cracks slowly appearing

I even predicted it to friends in advance, so no major shift at all for me in cararterisation.

Fair enough. Different strokes and all that.

Otis · May 17, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
Fair enough. Different strokes and all that.

Yeah, or maybe I am more easily pleased and not intelligent enough to notice all the gaping plot holes.

Grendel · May 17, 2019

I know nothing about this programme but I’ve just seen some article that the I assume final series is so bad that fans have put some huge petition demanding its re written

How that made the main news i am not sure

dutchman · May 18, 2019

Grendel said:
I know nothing about this programme but I’ve just seen some article that the I assume final series is so bad that fans have put some huge petition demanding its re written

It didn't go the way some fans expected it to go so they're unhappy about it.

If it did go the way they expected there'd be no point in watching it.

Otis · May 18, 2019

dutchman said:
It didn't go the way some fans expected it to go so they're unhappy about it.

If it did go the way they expected there'd be no point in watching it.

If it did go the way this group of people wanted, there would be a completely different group complaining about it not going the way they wanted and there would be another petition.

larry_david · May 18, 2019

I don't think anyone wants one of the greatest TV shows ever to go to shit like this has. Nothing to do with what we expected, everything to do with how piss poor and lazy the writing has become.

vow · May 18, 2019

larry_david said:
I don't think anyone wants one of the greatest TV shows ever to go to shit like this has. Nothing to do with what we expected, everything to do with how piss poor and lazy the writing has become.

Pretty much summed it up there, larry.

fellatio_Martinez · May 18, 2019

larry_david said:
I don't think anyone wants one of the greatest TV shows ever to go to shit like this has. Nothing to do with what we expected, everything to do with how piss poor and lazy the writing has become.

Otis · May 18, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:

Not as piss poor as his accent.

fellatio_Martinez · May 18, 2019

Otis said:
Not as piss poor as his accent.

I don't understand why the Aiden Gillen changed Littlefingers accent so much. For the first few seasons it was pretty steady but then it just went weird. He sounded like Sean Connery at points.

He plays Queen's manager in Bohemian Rhapsody and his accent veers from Scottish to Irish to fuck knows what.

I assume he's just shit at accents.

Nick · May 18, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
I don't understand why the Aiden Gillen changed Littlefingers accent so much. For the first few seasons it was pretty steady but then it just went weird. He sounded like Sean Connery at points.

He plays Queen's manager in Bohemian Rhapsody and his accent veers from Scottish to Irish to fuck knows what.

I assume he's just shit at accents.

Ha, yeah. He didn't have the weird mouth movement to start too.

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