Transfer Rumour Frank Onyeka (15 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

Brentford are 7th in the premier league btw

 

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[shmmeee]

Brentford are 7th in the premier league btw

Yeah now. They weren’t when they signed him they were newly promoted.

 

[Evo1883]

Yeah now. They weren’t when they signed him they were newly promoted.

But theyve still been giving him minutes in the league , great for a team making their way into the league

 

[shmmeee]

But theyve still been giving him minutes in the league , great for a team making their way into the league

You could say the same about Brau and Raphael, they’re getting more minutes at a team top of the league.

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

As long as hes more Carlton Palmer and less Casey Palmer...

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Kasey Palmer who incidentally is on his way to Luton apparently from Hull…

 

[Evo1883]

You could say the same about Brau and Raphael, they’re getting more minutes at a team top of the league.

Ok you win ,personally would be happy to sign such a player

 

[Grendel]

But theyve still been giving him minutes in the league , great for a team making their way into the league

Why engage with him? He makes Trump look rational.

 

[shmmeee]

Ok you win ,personallynwould be happy to sign such a player

Haha I’m not trying to win. Just have reservations about dropping near record fees on someone who has failed to establish themselves in the league we’ll be in next season. And for players at this level I think we can spend less.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ok you win ,personally would be happy to sign such a player

His numbers in the Bundesliga weren't great tbh, but it is a stronger league than this one.

 

[Evo1883]

Haha I’m not trying to win. Just have reservations about dropping near record fees on someone who has failed to establish themselves in the league we’ll be in next season. And for players at this level I think we can spend less.

7 mill will be peanuts to what we will need to spend

 

[shmmeee]

7 mill will be peanuts to what we will need to spend

Yeah next season but I don’t think he’s good enough for next season. As I say a loan would be fine. For £7m I’d rather gamble on someone who might make it than get someone who hasn’t and gamble on them turning it around. Also he’ll be 29 next season so resale value is basically £0.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

His numbers in the Bundesliga weren't great tbh, but it is a stronger league than this one.

Which numbers are we talking?

Defensively, Onyeka is a dawg, for 24/25 he was top:
- 11% for tackles
- 9% for duels won
- 11% in interceptions
- 3% for fouls committed so @Nick approved already
- top percentile for fouls won
- 14% for successful dribbles

Amongst other midfielders in the division so there’s some good data points there that he’d do well in our league. He had similar outcomes at AFCON too.

Grimes, Eccles and Torp individually are good players, but at times you can say they’re a bit pretty. Against physical teams who are also technical like Ipswich and even Leicester to some extent, we need another profile in there.

 

[clint van damme]

Ok you win ,personally would be happy to sign such a player

He'd be just what we need. We're getting too over run too often in midfield for my liking at the moment.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which numbers are we talking?

Defensively, Onyeka is a dawg, for 24/25 he was top:
- 11% for tackles
- 9% for duels won
- 11% in interceptions
- 3% for fouls committed so @Nick approved already
- top percentile for fouls won
- 14% for successful dribbles

Amongst other midfielders in the division so there’s some good data points there that he’d do well in our league. He had similar outcomes at AFCON too.

Grimes, Eccles and Torp individually are good players, but at times you can say they’re a bit pretty. Against physical teams who are also technical like Ipswich and even Leicester to some extent, we need another profile in there.

I was looking at the per 90 numbers for the same metrics as those.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

He'd be just what we need. We're getting too over run too often in midfield for my liking at the moment.

He complements the squad well. Allen is a good player who covers a lot of ground and there’s times he adds so much.

Now, imagine a player who has performed those tasks in the top divisions and at international level. It’s night and day, posters insisted Sakamoto was all we needed, then we signed Esse who’s objectively a better player.

 

[Captain Dart]

Which numbers are we talking?

Defensively, Onyeka is a dawg, for 24/25 he was top:
- 11% for tackles
- 9% for duels won
- 11% in interceptions
- 3% for fouls committed so @Nick approved already
- top percentile for fouls won
- 14% for successful dribbles

Amongst other midfielders in the division so there’s some good data points there that he’d do well in our league. He had similar outcomes at AFCON too.

Grimes, Eccles and Torp individually are good players, but at times you can say they’re a bit pretty. Against physical teams who are also technical like Ipswich and even Leicester to some extent, we need another profile in there.

Add to all that his nickname is Frank the Tank.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I was looking at the per 90 numbers for the same metrics as those.

For those numbers I personally prefer the raw metrics but per 90 has its uses. But it can can unfairly punish players who play 90m most games, Onyeka played 83m per game that season so more or less played 90m for every game.

I imagine tracking defensive stats on a per 90 can be difficult as it’s more situational as opposed to passing/dribbling. Grimes predictably scores v well on those metrics on a raw metric and per 90 basis because his usage is off the scales.

Also bear in mind Augsburg finished 3 points above a relegation playoff place too.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

For those numbers I personally prefer the raw metrics but per 90 has its uses. But it can can unfairly punish players who play 90m most games, Onyeka played 83m per game that season so more or less played 90m for every game.

I imagine tracking defensive stats on a per 90 can be difficult as it’s more situational as opposed to passing/dribbling. Grimes predictably scores v well on those metrics on a raw metric and per 90 basis because his usage is off the scales.

Also bear in mind Augsburg finished 3 points above a relegation playoff place too.

To each his own there, I prefer the per 90 particularly in a league with a well defined winter break like the Bundesliga so you get good comparison to those who arrived in January on top of those playing similar roles who get rotated either during or between games.

I agree taking the overall numbers it's good and aside from the data, he brings physicality and energy to a midfield that doesn't have much of both. It would make a lot of sense.

 

[SBT]

If there are question marks over Onyeka’s viability in the Premier League then it’s a loan at best or nothing for me. Not shelling out a record fee on a comfort blanket for 18 games.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Yeah next season but I don’t think he’s good enough for next season. As I say a loan would be fine. For £7m I’d rather gamble on someone who might make it than get someone who hasn’t and gamble on them turning it around. Also he’ll be 29 next season so resale value is basically £0.

At the very least, he will be a squad player in the Prem so £7m for a squad player is good value.

You also don’t really need to worry about resale value in the Prem. The business model is geared towards one thing in the Prem: staying up. Just look at Wolves who tried to be too clever with gradual asset stripping.

Onyeka comes in and starts from Day 1 too and will probably also be a league leading midfielder. Take someone like Matisuwa who performed well at Ligue 1 and is a leading championship midfielder.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Yeah next season but I don’t think he’s good enough for next season. As I say a loan would be fine. For £7m I’d rather gamble on someone who might make it than get someone who hasn’t and gamble on them turning it around. Also he’ll be 29 next season so resale value is basically £0.

his resale value would not be £0 LOL

 

[shmmeee]

At the very least, he will be a squad player in the Prem so £7m for a squad player is good value.

You also don’t really need to worry about resale value in the Prem. The business model is geared towards one thing in the Prem: staying up. Just look at Wolves who tried to be too clever with gradual asset stripping.

Onyeka comes in and starts from Day 1 too and will probably also be a league leading midfielder. Take someone like Matisuwa who performed well at Ligue 1 and is a leading championship midfielder.

We need to assume we’re going down and will need to sell everyone we can really. I’m just iffy about taking failed PL players on long contracts.

 

[CCFC96]

We need to assume we’re going down and will need to sell everyone we can really. I’m just iffy about taking failed PL players on long contracts.

This is absolutely not how it works and £7m for a top 6 champ CM is basically the going rate. You can't neuter your recruitment in the summer should we go up by being scared about what happens if we come straight down.

 

[procdoc]

We need to assume we’re going down and will need to sell everyone we can really. I’m just iffy about taking failed PL players on long contracts.

he's not a failed premier league player though is he

 

[Shannerz]

Don’t think we need to spend £7 odd million on a player deemed not good enough for the PL by Brentford. Think this lot can handle the next 18 games tbh.

I don't care if he's good enough for Brentford in the Premier League, I care if he's good enough to get us over the line in the Championship.

If he is, then he's worth whatever we pay for him.

 

[shmmeee]

he's not a failed premier league player though is he

3k minutes across 5 seasons and being hawked around the Championship would suggest he is.

 

[skybluecam]

To be honest, after last night and Saturday where there were periods we lost control in midfield and were probably crying out for an athletic ball winner I’d take him. If we have made contact and are still interested suggests there is a deal to be done.

 

[shmmeee]

This is absolutely not how it works and £7m for a top 6 champ CM is basically the going rate. You can't neuter your recruitment in the summer should we go up by being scared about what happens if we come straight down.

No but you can be sensible and not offer 4 year £40k/wk deals to players you might not be able to get rid of. As I say I’d rather £7m on a European gamble than a failed PL player who is 28.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No but you can be sensible and not offer 4 year £40k/wk deals to players you might not be able to get rid of. As I say I’d rather £7m on a European gamble than a failed PL player who is 28.

You sign him on a 3.5 year deal from this month, he'd have 2 years left after this hypothetical relegation and would still be 30/31. Depending on how he performed in the Prem you either still have a top end Championship midfielder or someone comes in for him.

 

[Grendel]

No but you can be sensible and not offer 4 year £40k/wk deals to players you might not be able to get rid of. As I say I’d rather £7m on a European gamble than a failed PL player who is 28.

He started 30 games in the Bundesleague last season you clown

 

[TomRad85]

No but you can be sensible and not offer 4 year £40k/wk deals to players you might not be able to get rid of. As I say I’d rather £7m on a European gamble than a failed PL player who is 28.

You're like a bot set to 'hate' mode atm Good for forum engagement i suppose.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You're like a bot set to 'hate' mode atm Good for forum engagement i suppose.

I'm assuming it's because Bobby's suspension is finished.

 

[Grendel]

I'm assuming it's because Bobby's suspension is finished.

The return of the Barnsley Boys

 

[SBT]

I don't care if he's good enough for Brentford in the Premier League, I care if he's good enough to get us over the line in the Championship.

If he is, then he's worth whatever we pay for him.

Given we likely only have 18 more games in the Championship for the foreseeable future then he’s only worth so much to us in those terms.

 

[robbiethemole]

No but you can be sensible and not offer 4 year £40k/wk deals to players you might not be able to get rid of. As I say I’d rather £7m on a European gamble than a failed PL player who is 28.

If he's playing in the Bundesleague, doesn't that make him a European gamble??