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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #176
Deleted member 5849 said:
Annoyingly I can't find it, but I could've sworn Grendel said the strikers as it stands aren't good enough.

That's true, the two who are / may be are out injured.

(Gyorkeres may or may not be tbf)
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And that’s before opposition keepers knock out the rest.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #177
Grendel said:
Well oddly I don’t scout clubs looking for options and also would have zero idea whose available and who isn’t but even if chances are taken on lower league players if that’s all we can get - we have effectively lower league strikers playing now and they weren’t very good in the lower leagues
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TBF I too do not scout players from other clubs as I am not interested in other clubs couldn't even tell you who has scored the most goals in any league.
I just take the comments on here about a player then hope for the best.
Funny enough all the great players we have signed as from comments on here generally turn out to be gash.
I am a CCFC fan not a football fan.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #178
letsallsingtogether said:
TBF I too do not scout players from other clubs as I am not interested in other clubs couldn't even tell you who has scored the most goals in any league.
I just take the comments on here about a player then hope for the best.
Funny enough all the great players we have signed as from comments on here generally turn out to be gash.
I am a CCFC fan not a football fan.
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No, but if you’re bleating about the need for a better striker and can’t think of one we could get on our January budget it’s a bit moot.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #179
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Right and the only name you’ve tossed out is Leon Clarke. We did not have the funds to improve our quality up front, only the numbers.
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I didn’t mention Leon Clark did now and it’s just lazy to say there aren’t better options
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #180
Grendel said:
I didn’t mention Leon Clark did now and it’s just lazy to say there aren’t better options
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On our budget and available last month? Who?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #181
Brighton Sky Blue said:
On our budget and available last month? Who?
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Again this is a pointless discussion - the club has to decide that’s what it’s paid to do - it’s decided to spend wages on other areas of the pitch
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #182
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No, but if you’re bleating about the need for a better striker and can’t think of one we could get on our January budget it’s a bit moot.
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I always find this argument odd. I can criticise a Jaguar powerplant without being expected to engineer a replacement.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #183
Grendel said:
Again this is a pointless discussion - the club has to decide that’s what it’s paid to do - it’s decided to spend wages on other areas of the pitch
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Strikers better than what we’ve got will cost a premium compared to improvements in other positions-you know that.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #184
Deleted member 5849 said:
I always find this argument odd. I can criticise a Jaguar powerplant without being expected to engineer a replacement.
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It’s an odd argument to say ‘obviously we need a better striker why haven’t they signed one’ when you can’t put forward one suggestion. The reason we haven’t gone and done it is we can’t afford one because oddly enough every team in the league would be after a reliable goal scorer.

And we’ve played most of the season without either of our first choice players in that position.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #185
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s an odd argument to say ‘obviously we need a better striker why haven’t they signed one’ when you can’t put forward one suggestion. The reason we haven’t gone and done it is we can’t afford one because oddly enough every team in the league would be after a reliable goal scorer.

And we’ve played most of the season without either of our first choice players in that position.
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it is t odd at all as we have no idea what James say is being paid but if it’s anything like the figures quoted it’s a lot more than either biamou or Bakayoko are paid
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #186
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s an odd argument to say ‘obviously we need a better striker why haven’t they signed one’ when you can’t put forward one suggestion. The reason we haven’t gone and done it is we can’t afford one because oddly enough every team in the league would be after a reliable goal scorer.

And we’ve played most of the season without either of our first choice players in that position.
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The principle of observing that, in your (generic you!) opinion a finite budget has overloaded in a particular area at the expense of another is perfectly fine, without having to name names.

If I had the answers, I'd be earning a fortune as chief scout somewhere!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #187
Deleted member 5849 said:
The principle of observing that, in your (generic you!) opinion a finite budget has overloaded in a particular area at the expense of another is perfectly fine, without having to name names.

If I had the answers, I'd be earning a fortune as chief scout somewhere!
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No, but we have had both first choice strikers out for most of the season. Both players cost between £500k-1 mill, so to improve on them would likely cost more unless there is some dynamite hidden gem. But then again every team in the league is looking for a player like that.

If you can’t think of a goal scorer on our budget (and these players are easier to find with a cursory glance of goal stats than those in other positions) then you’ve answered your own question of why we haven’t signed one.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #188
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No, but we have had both first choice strikers out for most of the season. Both players cost between £500k-1 mill, so to improve on them would likely cost more unless there is some dynamite hidden gem. But then again every team in the league is looking for a player like that.

If you can’t think of a goal scorer on our budget (and these players are easier to find with a cursory glance of goal stats than those in other positions) then you’ve answered your own question of why we haven’t signed one.
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What was our budget before we signed James?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #189
Grendel said:
What was our budget before we signed James?
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I don’t think it was 7 figures for fees and wages
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #190
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don’t think it was 7 figures for fees and wages
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So how much is James being paid and why can’t you have tried to use that to loan a striker of some experience?

Also as the club will lose £5 million probably on relegation and loans are already being advanced...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #191
Grendel said:
So how much is James being paid and why can’t you have tried to use that to loan a striker of some experience?

Also as the club will lose £5 million probably on relegation and loans are already being advanced...
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The teams around us have gone for Glenn Murray, Andre Green, Charlie Austin and Birmingham chose to spend £2 million on a guy who has scored 3 goals in the SPL. Would you have signed any of them? Could we have outmuscled the teams who ended up signing them?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #192
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The teams around us have gone for Glenn Murray, Andre Green, Charlie Austin and Birmingham chose to spend £2 million on a guy who has scored 3 goals in the SPL. Would you have signed any of them? Could we have outmuscled the teams who ended up signing them?
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Again it’s if you want to have a plan to survive and receive higher funds next year rather than risk a massive revenue reduction as well as wage bill thats too high
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #193
Grendel said:
Again it’s if you want to have a plan to survive and receive higher funds next year rather than risk a massive revenue reduction as well as wage bill thats too high
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Ah I see. What sort of funds do you think would have been needed in light of the above?
 

cc84cov

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #194
Grendel are you watching this ?


Matty James is running this game
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #195
'Flatter to deceive' is the new 'Just hear me out'
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #196
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ah I see. What sort of funds do you think would have been needed in light of the above?
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Again you set a budget and sign player or secure a player on loan - if James is really on £18 a week that’s a a large amount

also heaven forbid we target a striker in a level below to try and make a step up rather than rely on two strikers who couldn’t even make the step up to league 1
cc84cov said:
Grendel are you watching this ?


Matty James is running this game
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are we winning?
 

cc84cov

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #197
Grendel said:
Again you set a budget and sign player or secure a player on loan - if James is really on £18 a week that’s a a large amount

also heaven forbid we target a striker in a level below to try and make a step up rather than rely on two strikers who couldn’t even make the step up to league 1


are we winning?
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If your mate max took his chance G
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #198
Grendel said:
Again you set a budget and sign player or secure a player on loan - if James is really on £18 a week that’s a a large amount

also heaven forbid we target a striker in a level below to try and make a step up rather than rely on two strikers who couldn’t even make the step up to league 1
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We have basically done that with Gyo
 

cc84cov

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #199
Again DaCosta not used surely robins has addressed that he’s in acres of space !!!
 
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superskyblue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #200
Wondering how Grendel is going to react to this James performance. Superb again today.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #201
superskyblue said:
Wondering how Grendel is going to react to this James performance. Superb again today.
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Has it led to a change in result? One win is it since he joined? That’s my point - no change in results
 
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superskyblue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #202
Grendel said:
Has it led to a change in result? One win is it since he joined? That’s my point - no change in results
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Whataboutery. We could have lost without him.
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #203
Grendel said:
Has it led to a change in result? One win is it since he joined? That’s my point - no change in results
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Your point was that he was an underwhelming player who flatters to deceive. Clearly neither is true, but your attempts to pivot to a different argument are fun all the same.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #204
superskyblue said:
Whataboutery. We could have lost without him.
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Why? They hardly threatened? We showed that we are easily competitive in every area but upfront.

James is like putting gold furry dice in a lada windscreen and ignoring the fact we have to win a road race with a knackered underperforming engine up front.

Get a new engine instead
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #205
SBT said:
Your point was that he was an underwhelming player who flatters to deceive. Clearly neither is true, but your attempts to pivot to a different argument are fun all the same.
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I don’t think he adds any more than Kelly and it’s a pointless signing given the mess we are in
 
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superskyblue

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #206
Grendel said:
Why? They hardly threatened? We showed that we are easily competitive in every area but upfront.

James is like putting gold furry dice in a lada windscreen and ignoring the fact we have to win a road race with a knackered underperforming engine up front.

Get a new engine instead
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Thank god MR invested in the new engine otherwise we’d have been racing on a push bike (Shipley) today.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #207
Best player on the pitch today.

Another classic Grendel thread and now desperately scrambling to try and justify a terrible opinion.
 
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KG7

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #208
A step ahead again.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #209
Grendel said:
I don’t think he adds any more than Kelly and it’s a pointless signing given the mess we are in
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Is Kelly also an underwhelming player who flatters to deceive then? Just trying to keep this thread on topic.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 6, 2021
  • #210
superskyblue said:
Thank god MR invested in the new engine otherwise we’d have been racing on a push bike (Shipley) today.
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But it’s ok to have a lumbering clueless buffoon at number 9 rather than trying to find a half decent alternative
 
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