we had it all .......... well nearly all........ well some ......... well apart from team work, pace, technical ability, a clear plan, a manager that knew his best team, players playing in the right formation/positions, passing, guile, decent free kicks, decent corners, a keeper that could save shots, defenders who could defend at that level, strikers that could score, speed of thought, a midfield that sat and played safe etc etc .................... apart from that we were only three games off winning the whole thing we were really close NOT!:shamefullyembarrased:
embarrassing really................. but good luck to Iceland they thoroughly deserved their win, the better team won
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...and-being-knocked-out-of-euro-2016-by-iceland
The last paragraph sums it up Otis Roy didn't know who his best team was
That's his job !!
Time to move on everyone is cheesed off England will qualify for the next World Cup and we will all fall for it again
England are not a good team did you know on competitive tournament football Since 1966 England have only won 9 games
We have tried English managers foreign managers and we still have flattered to decive
Something is institutionally wrong with the English game
I think you mean only won 6 knockout matches since 1966?The last paragraph sums it up Otis Roy didn't know who his best team was
That's his job !!
Time to move on everyone is cheesed off England will qualify for the next World Cup and we will all fall for it again
England are not a good team did you know on competitive tournament football Since 1966 England have only won 9 games
We have tried English managers foreign managers and we still have flattered to decive
Something is institutionally wrong with the English game
Was it six ? I stand corrected fellaI think you mean only won 6 knockout matches since 1966?
Yea only knock out matches though, doesn't include group stages of tournament football.Was it six ? I stand corrected fella
Thing is, OSB, we dominated all three group games despite not having a clear plan, the right formations, good crossing, a keeper playing well etc.
Not saying we ever could have won the thing, but how much better could we have done if we did have the clear plan and right tactics and formations in place?
But we didn't really threaten Otis, we were not incisive and we lacked tempo generally. Yes there were bright moments, yes we had shots, but we still failed to win what was a relatively easy group.
There is no doubt we have talented players but something was not right from the get go and last night it came a head.
Look at the performances of Germany or Belgium, or the second half of France's last game. They went up through the gears we never really did, in fact we only seemed to have one gear, we played deliberate football, whereas our natural game I would argue is much quicker than that.
It was pretty much a mess, with players out of form or being there having no recent form and a manager who simply didn't appear to know how to make it work (or was it the players didn't listen?). We didn't play to our strengths.
One of the many things that really did irk me was Kane taking so many of the set pieces - why. He is the focal point of the attack not the deliverer, he is one of the best headers in the squad and can believe it or not shoot - he should have been on the end of the crosses not sending them in.
Wasn't impossible to have won it but we got no momentum - it was almost as if "ok we qualified really that's it we can take our foot off the gas", whereas it should have been a stepping stone to push on from with a consistent formation and team. Hodgson lost his way for some reason
Shows a lack of class imo. Having said that I'll be celebrating if Belgium smash them. Mainly because Coleman is a prick who got lucky by having a superstar to make him look good.Why have the Wales squad had to make excuses for celebrating the result? Wouldn't expect any other reaction.
No, we didn't really threaten, but with the right system and right tactics and formations (as you alluded to with Kane) we could have been more threatening. As you say, Kane taking corners? Hodgson either picking players out of form (Sterling), or players that weren't fit (Wilshere).
Agree with the first part. The vast majority of teams in this competition are crap tbh.We were against some terrible teams and still couldn't win - our players are sub standard on this stage.
Agree with the first part. The vast majority of teams in this competition are crap tbh.
We don't have sub standard players though I don't think. The manager just picked ones that are out of form or have been injured for ages, due to some misplaced loyalty.
No doubt we'll breeze the world cup qualifying, ready to bomb at another major tournament.
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Agree with Cahill and Smalling, they're both shite, hopefully Stones will start living up to the hype.Don't we have the youngest squad here? Our squad in the 90's had players who on a world stage other countries would want.
I genuinely think Germany, Spain, Italy and France wouldn't want any of our players at all. They would have years ago but not now.
Most are not experienced and there aren't many eras when we would believe smalling and Cahill were the 2 best venter backs we have and Vardy and Kane are he cream of the crop regarding strikers. Would any of these players get contracts with top clubs in Spain or Germany?
At international level these players are pretty poor.
Yep, don't buy this 'sub standard.' Lacking fortitude and spirit and bottle perhaps, but Iceland are in the quarter finals. Wales are in the quarter finals.Agree with the first part. The vast majority of teams in this competition are crap tbh.
We don't have sub standard players though I don't think. The manager just picked ones that are out of form or have been injured for ages, due to some misplaced loyalty.
No doubt we'll breeze the world cup qualifying, ready to bomb at another major tournament.
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That's the biggest frustration. We should have been capable of winning the group and then would have had a relatively easy route to the final. It will be a long time before we have such a good chance again.The three teams we played we should have won all three
Oooo-errrr. We wouldn't want to be causing offence or stirring up emotions would we. Sod-it...let them have their moment. They should rub the English player's noses in it now rather than during the club matches to come.Why have the Wales squad had to make excuses for celebrating the result? Wouldn't expect any other reaction.
Lol...that's coz you have no class!Shows a lack of class imo. Having said that I'll be celebrating if Belgium smash them. Mainly because Coleman is a prick who got lucky by having a superstar to make him look good.
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Absolutely.Lol...that's coz you have no class!
...onwards & upwards PUSB
I agree that they should have been aware of the elephant in the room...& perhaps been somewhat more diplomatic and reserved in acknowledgment of that presence & potential consequences...but I also reckon our fabulously paid divas have it coming to them if they are unable to deliver.Oh, and to add, I'm not a fellow professional footballer.
Could you imagine seeing a video of Portugal players celebrating Spain's exit.
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Every time he touched the ball against ICELAND he gave it away, but if you look at his stats for other games then you can only scratch your head as to why he was so poor.I told you we would get nowhere with rooney, every time he touched the ball, he gave it away. Complete overhaul of english football is needed, but it will never happen.
Don't you mean Dire Wilshire?bang on Otis, it seems we are looking for a scapegoat and its Rooney's turn. He played well in at least two of the three group games, he was shocking in the Iceland game but who wasn't. What I do agree with is that he needs to retire from international football or at least step down as captain so Hodgson's predecessor has a free run at picking the team without any political BS in play. The biggest question is who would you replace him as captain, no one jumps to mind to be a dead cert which is worrying! Dier, Wiltshire maybe??
I thought 2 for Rooney was rather generous. Worst ever performance I ever have seen from him, CJ. One thing you can always be confident of with Rooney is that he can pass the ball. Last night he couldn't even do that. Would love to see the pass accuracy for the whole team. It had to have been very low.
He always works his socks off and tries hard, but last night he was truly shocking in my opinion.
He should have come off much, much earlier.Like I said though he wanted to come off. He could hardly move.
He should have come off much, much earlier.
Think it has to be that no individual name is bigger than the team.
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