Wow a ‘your mother’ diss, hope that gets you a few likes on here as we know that’s the only thing good in your life Mr I name myself after a football forumThat would be good if it happens, as you’ve been getting quite worked up on here lately. Your mother must be worried.
Just been sitting back and watching, an all time classic earlier was of shmmeee telling people to get outside! Thought that was highly ironic considering he’s posted on here 746 times today. Absolute saddoTo be fair yes you have, I just thought you were getting bored of nobody biting
It was the single biggest deterrent we had. To put it into context using the 8% figure you highlight that would have returned about 3000 of the arrivals in 2024 alone. Compare that to the big idea of the government that brought us Brexit as a replacement. The Rwanda scheme. The scheme many believe (not you) wasn’t given a chance to work. The Rwanda scheme aimed to remove 1000 over 5 years. 200 a year. 15 times less effective than the Dublin agreement.I don’t disagree with issues since Brexit but I’m not accepting something that is not backed up. Did you read my posts ? I’ve explained that using DR would not have made a significant difference and provided data to back that up . I also stated that France has made little effort post Brexit. We all know in recent years there is now a network of gangs and people traffickers that have ramped up. There is very little deterrent, we treat asylum seekers pretty well, find it difficult to remove failed attempts etc etc. these are the reasons.
Here’s some more post Brexit data, asylum applications in EU went up from 421k in 2020 to around 1m excluding Ukraine in 2024.
EU+ asylum applications decrease by 11% in 2024, and some changing trends established
The EU cannot physically control their borders and I guess want us to take our fair share of applicants. Would DR make a difference, probably a minor one. You believe what you want though
I don’t disagree with issues since Brexit but I’m not accepting something that is not backed up. Did you read my posts ? I’ve explained that using DR would not have made a significant difference and provided data to back that up . I also stated that France has made little effort post Brexit. We all know in recent years there is now a network of gangs and people traffickers that have ramped up. There is very little deterrent, we treat asylum seekers pretty well, find it difficult to remove failed attempts etc etc. these are the reasons.
Here’s some more post Brexit data, asylum applications in EU went up from 421k in 2020 to around 1m excluding Ukraine in 2024.
EU+ asylum applications decrease by 11% in 2024, and some changing trends established
The EU cannot physically control their borders and I guess want us to take our fair share of applicants. Would DR make a difference, probably a minor one. You believe what you want though
It was the single biggest deterrent we had. To put it into context using the 8% figure you highlight that would have returned about 3000 of the arrivals in 2024 alone. Compare that to the big idea of the government that brought us Brexit as a replacement. The Rwanda scheme. The scheme many believe (not you) wasn’t given a chance to work. The Rwanda scheme aimed to remove 1000 over 5 years. 200 a year. 15 times less effective than the Dublin agreement.
Sat back for a fair bit of this thread, refreshing change of paceJust been sitting back and watching, an all time classic earlier was of shmmeee telling people to get outside! Thought that was highly ironic considering he’s posted on here 746 times today. Absolute saddo
But what I’m saying is true, tries to come at people then puts people on ignore or cries to the admins when they give it back. Ironic how the person that needs to go outside most tells others too, absolute cinemaHahaha!
Dom: I'm learning to be more measured.
Dom: throws virtual sh*t around two mins later.
As final destination in Europe 8% would have been 8% for us. There would be no offsetting. The pretext you’re presenting doesn’t reflect on the reality of what the DR would mean to the UK.It was 8% of incoming applications granted. Under DR there will always be outgoing applications to offset. As I say, Germany offset meant net 1.5k. France net 400. Hardly worth it. Would it make a difference as a small deterrent maybe. Like the governments current agreement with France if ramped up. All helps but it’s not the main reason. A bigger one would be processing claims/rejections and appeals far quicker
edit - biggest deterrent would obviously be France stopping boats on their side
Again a 1 in 12 chance of maybe being returned to another European country. Is that really going to deter people from trying ? My point was Brexit (other than France not being willing to patrol their borders/coast properly) was not the reason for the influx. Asylum applications spiked across Europe and I’ve stated the various reasons why I believe we’ve ended up with our fair share
Are we doing “there’s no room”? Got to love the classics.
I mean I just spent a week in Europe and everything seemed to work pretty good. The US is an absolute economic powerhouse. It’s a great time to be whatever sort of person you are.
I’m just not seeing this “fall of Rome” stuff you guys keep going on about.
As opposed to no chance whatsoever of being returned to another EU country. A deterrent to no deterrent.Again a 1 in 12 chance of maybe being returned to another European country. Is that really going to deter people from trying ? My point was Brexit (other than France not being willing to patrol their borders/coast properly) was not the reason for the influx. Asylum applications spiked across Europe and I’ve stated the various reasons why I believe we’ve ended up with our fair share
You seem to live in a different world to the rest of us mate.
Every public service is failing
Literally nothing the government provides (apart from a Gestapo style police force) works anymore.
EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC SERVICE IS FUCKING SHIT
No idea, sorry.@Nick @Sick Boy why did the @Ashdown @Chicken Mcgraw and my reply get deleted? Weird how the admins are deleting stuff, are we always at risk of you lot randomly deleting stuff we post from now on?
2018 is actually quite significant when you look at the asylum claiming process. Prior to 2018 the government had a target of an initial decision on a claim of 6 months, that target was quickly dropped in 2018 when it became clear that they couldn’t meet it, not that they were in most cases anyway. If you failed in that initial decision the appeals process was a minimum of 12 months. People aren’t stupid. People understood that that if they arrived in 2018 there was a very good chance that by the time we left the EU they still wouldn’t have a final decision and the UK would be stuck with them. We actually left the DR during the transition process a couple of months before we left the EU proper.OK I’ve done more research and I think you’re right but not for the reasons you say. From what I can gather the tipping point was 2018 not 2020 and that’s when we tightened border security at ports around trucks. I’ve found a report from 2015, so height of the migrant crisis, but that says 39k truck crossings stopped that year. I don’t know how common it was to get through but I’d assume at least 50:50 so let’s say about 40K+ truck arrivals at peak migrant in 2015. That’s probably swapped almost entirely to boats taking into account start up time for routes and Covid.
The returns agreement is a thing if you believe any return agreement is a thing. Even the most draconian have only promised a tiny percentage so I’m not convinced either way.
So the question is are we happier when the migrants are in trucks or in boats?
And if we find a way to stop the boats should we expect 40k migrants a year in hot air balloons?
Across the entirety of western civilisation?
And surely if the police force works then migrant crime isn’t an issue?
Im sorry but even on a UK only level this is nonsense. Have you left your house? Yes services aren’t as good after 14 years of cuts as they were after a decade of Labour investment but fuck me do you remember the 80s?
2018 is actually quite significant when you look at the asylum claiming process. Prior to 2018 the government had a target of an initial decision on a claim of 6 months, that target was quickly dropped in 2018 when it became clear that they couldn’t meet it, not that they were in most cases anyway. If you failed in that initial decision the appeals process was a minimum of 12 months. People aren’t stupid. People understood that that if they arrived in 2018 there was a very good chance that by the time we left the EU they still wouldn’t have a final decision and the UK would be stuck with them. We actually left the DR during the transition process a couple of months before we left the EU proper.
This may end up being a case of be careful what you wish for.Comes to something when councils make more sense than the government. Fair play epping
I haven't deleted anything and can't be arsed to check.
Wasn’t arsed about the wife stuff, it was more replying to him now having a super modelI haven't deleted anything and can't be arsed to check.
I assume it's started with the stuff about his wife and then posts quoting it were removed.
We also have obligations as UN members and even as NATO members. The WTO is having discussions on how its members support asylum seekers.Its just a lot of factors together but I think you’re going to have to accept that the channel puts us in a legal bind.
The tricky bit of international law isn’t the convention of rights of refugees or even the EHCR, it’s the laws of the sea. If you find a dingy at sea and it’s not seaworthy or the people are in distress you have to pick them up and take them to the nearest safety. That’s always going to be the UK for anything in our waters. And any dingy is going to get that. This isn’t australia where you can just turn them back in international waters because the migrants coming to Australia look like this:
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So you can make a legal case that they’re seaworthy and you’re just telling them to piss off. If you find someone floating in the channel on a rubber dingy there’s no way around picking them up and bringing them back. At which point the can claim asylum.
Let’s say “fuck the refugees” and that we are going to send them back. Well you’re either now invading somewhere you don’t have an agreement with to parachute a bunch of migrants back home, meaning you’ll get shot at and probably start an international incident at worst or at best look like an even bigger c**t than Israel on the international stage. India tried this in international waters unofficially and it didn’t go down well
So then you’ve got a bunch of people that you’re either paying £45k per prisoner per year to put them in prison, or you may as well process them as asylum seekers and have them working and paying tax.
People who say they want to shoot them or whatever forget we exist in a cramped bit of the world and rely heavily (like all countries) on those around us not thinking we’re complete shit heads. You’re trying to align with countries like China, India, Russia over western nations. Poorer, with less cultural similarity and frankly a bit of a chip on their shoulder about us after that whole empire thing.
If you’d rather your country was like Russia and India than America and Germany then fair enough. But I think you’re in a massive minority.
I can only assume the suggestions about giving them an island are in jest because why on earth would we hand over sovereign land to a bunch of randoms. Because make no mistake if you leave them out there then you either end up providing them services or they end up declaring independence probably backed by someone who would quite like it. Then what? We invade ourselves?
I think it was just the posts related to that side conversation and that were quoting it.Wasn’t arsed about the wife stuff, it was more replying to him now having a super model
Tbh I can see why your backing him up, his 6200 posts a day must be paying for the Ferrari and 6 bedroom mansion in clicksI think it was just the posts related to that side conversation and that were quoting it.
Feel free to pm him for pics, he hasn't responded to mine.
Please stop arguing with him, he thrives off the attention on here!
Not arguing. Merely confusedPlease stop arguing with him, he thrives off the attention on here.
We all are lolNot arguing. Merely confused
He’ll be telling you to ‘go outside’ soonWe all are lol
We also have obligations as UN members and even as NATO members. The WTO is having discussions on how its members support asylum seekers.
Which begs the question. How many organisations do we have to leave before the Right has no one else to blame for a migrant crisis that they don’t really have any interest in dealing with?
What point of isolation from the rest of the world will be enough? North Korea?
We left the EU partly because that was the problem. We now have to leave Churchills legacy. The direction of travel from the UK right is clear.
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