This is where I struggle personally.It’s the main agenda because it’s an important issue.
That said, just because you find no issue with the current immigration situation doesn’t mean others can’t express their views.
What is ‘shite’ to you, is echoed by others.
Exactly - Brexit was going to solve it apparently. Boris/Gove/Farage convinced many. (It was all for their personal gain and grift really).What’s annoying is the boats weren’t an issue until Fucking Brexit. And now the same geniuses who brought us Brexit are claiming they can solve it. Like looo at this graph. Have some fucking humility and maybe explain this massive fuck up before demanding the majority bend to your ideas this time.
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Forgetting the bloody dinghy’s for a moment, there have been millions arriving over the last 25 years and longer !? The UK has done its bit and way more.Because they are seeking refuge here and a dingy is the only way to get here. There’s no legal routes outside of Ukraine/Afghanistan/HK schemes.
You can say “well they should stay closer” and the vast majority do. Countries bordering these places have millions of refugees compared to our thousands. But some will want to try and not live in a Turkish refugee camp and try and get somewhere they have family or a better chance of earning a wage.
And again Brexit has meant that we don’t have the cooperation we had to manage these people before they try to dingy across.
Now you’re just being ridiculous.
One, it’s not a crime to mutter under your breath that you want to kill someone. Inciting violence by having a public call for the slitting of throats is, the same as planning to set fire to an Islamic centre.
Are you a lawyer? Or from a law background?
She has - but Yvette Cooper hasn’t threatened to flout human rights laws, international rules to do so - many of which we’re signatories tooYvette Cooper has pledged to deport all foreign undesirables as well.
Presumably you think Ms Cooper is also a fascist?
Without being obtuse aren't the figures for those on the small boats around 200,000 since 2018?Forgetting the bloody dinghy’s for a moment, there have been millions arriving over the last 25 years and longer !? The UK has done its bit and way more.
Its not about the individuals or shouldn’t be, its about the overall impact.
I completely agree. I am of no doubt there is a deliberate ploy by the state to push these issues, considering how badly the other areas are being managed.This is where I struggle personally.
Yes immigration is important but is it as important as the NHS, lack of police on the streets, lack of housing , low wages , food banks , education , public services etc , etc ?
Sometimes wonder if by focusing on the most divisive issues our political parties take the focus off other more important ones ?
That's all that needed saying really. Right to be angry, looking in the wrong direction for why it's the case though. The vast majority of immigrants remain law abiding, hardworking people who pay their taxes and do work that we either lack enough skilled people of our own to do, or it's work that's too poorly paid or with too unappealing conditions to attract homegrown workers.People wouldn’t be so angry if the country didn’t appear to be going to shit
She has - but Yvette Cooper hasn’t threatened to flout human rights laws, international rules to do so - many of which we’re signatories too
I still think it's a bit weird that people supporting proven racists by endorsing their policies and voting for them reject the idea that this probably means they're racist.
I've voted Green before. If someone said this makes me a leftie hippie idealist I'm not gonna argue with them. Reform has been led by people that are racist. I don't get it.
That's all that needed saying really. Right to be angry, looking in the wrong direction for why it's the case though. The vast majority of immigrants remain law abiding, hardworking people who pay their taxes and do work that we either lack enough skilled people of our own to do, or it's work that's too poorly paid or with too unappealing conditions to attract homegrown workers.
The right have skilfully sold the immigration scapegoat to people who just want things to get better. The success of charlatans like Farage lies at the feet of the two major parties.
Theres a lot of sense in what you say of course. Lots of people have become valuable citizens but then you read articles that suggest 50% of Londons social housing stock is occupied by foreign born people and many of them are also very reliant on a burgeoning welfare state. How the hell did that come to be ? It doesn’t all add up to meThat's all that needed saying really. Right to be angry, looking in the wrong direction for why it's the case though. The vast majority of immigrants remain law abiding, hardworking people who pay their taxes and do work that we either lack enough skilled people of our own to do, or it's work that's too poorly paid or with too unappealing conditions to attract homegrown workers.
The right have skilfully sold the immigration scapegoat to people who just want things to get better. The success of charlatans like Farage lies at the feet of the two major parties.
Using your logic, there are plenty of green voters around here who support sex offenders and in turn must be sex offenders themselves.
Again you’re throwing Yvette cooper at me like it’s a gotcha. I’m not particularly happy with the authoritarian stance of the current Labour government. Especially with the online safety act, which in my eyes is a flagrant abuse of power, and one again that opens the floodgates to all sorts of issues to privacy.The same Yvette Cooper that supported harsh lockdowns, denying the human rights laws around the right of assembly?
Using your logic, there are plenty of green voters around here who support sex offenders and in turn must be sex offenders themselves.
Unless the Green party was founded by or led by sex offenders, or have a record of saying they support sex offending, I'm a bit lost here.
Again you’re throwing Yvette cooper at me like it’s a gotcha. I’m not particularly happy with the authoritarian stance of the current Labour government. Especially with the online safety act, which in my eyes is a flagrant abuse of power, and one again that opens the floodgates to all sorts of issues to privacy.
the difference is she hasn’t threatened to shoot and mass murder people in their hunt to remove undesirables. Which is a bit more extreme and dare I say it fascist than hindering rights to assembly.
Migrants who have come here and had their application refused of course need to be removed from the country. Asylum seekers regardless of how they came here need to have the claims processed far more quickly than they are being now and the practice of using hotels to 'hold' them has to stop.You’re missing the distinction between legal migrants and illegal migrants
I actually worked in the police force and I left because we were told when on shift there were certain demographics of people they couldn't arrest. It does happen.
Leaving behind their families in worn torn countries. Not very civilisedOn a boat across perilous seas? How’s that civilised?
I agree.Lots of people have become valuable citizens
Surely you know what I'm referring to?
Migrants who have come here and had their application refused of course need to be removed from the country. Asylum seekers regardless of how they came here need to have the claims processed far more quickly than they are being now and the practice of using hotels to 'hold' them has to stop.
Even if we succeeded in all of the above though, and I would like to, the country still has much bigger problems to solve.
Imo entering the country illegally should be grounds for an automatic refusal.
The immigration problem is a symptom of those bigger problems
According to the refugee convention which we're signed up to, you cannot discriminate someone's claim based on how they entered the country. By definition you cannot be an illegal asylum seeker until the claim has been refused.Imo entering the country illegally should be grounds for an automatic refusal.
The immigration problem is a symptom of those bigger problems
I mean why else would you threaten to put the Royal Navy in the channel? Something again Farage has suggested
in fact someone campaigning in his campaign suggested we should just shoot the boats whilst making racial slurs to Rishi Sunak.
I mean I agree with you on the creeping authoritarianism. The online safety act is a huge red flag and I don’t think saying “if you want it gone - you’re on the side of paedophiles” is the correct way to go about it.
Well the French should be trying much harder to stop them leaving in the first place.The navy should be deployed to turn them back.
I’m fairly confident that person who made the comments about Sunak was a Channel 4 put up. No one talks like that, racist or otherwise
The navy should be deployed to turn them back.
I’m fairly confident that person who made the comments about Sunak was a Channel 4 put up. No one talks like that, racist or otherwise
OK “you’re refused” and then what?
Could we perhaps bring back national service to allow the common man the opportunity to prevent them arriving?The navy should be deployed to turn them back.
I’m fairly confident that person who made the comments about Sunak was a Channel 4 put up. No one talks like that, racist or otherwise
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