Embarrassing (3 Viewers)

[Rodders1]

What’s annoying is the boats weren’t an issue until Fucking Brexit. And now the same geniuses who brought us Brexit are claiming they can solve it. Like looo at this graph. Have some fucking humility and maybe explain this massive fuck up before demanding the majority bend to your ideas this time.


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Exactly - Brexit was going to solve it apparently. Boris/Gove/Farage convinced many. (It was all for their personal gain and grift really).

And now chief grifter points at a few more boats annd hotels and the brainwashed vote for him again.

 

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[Ashdown]

Because they are seeking refuge here and a dingy is the only way to get here. There’s no legal routes outside of Ukraine/Afghanistan/HK schemes.

You can say “well they should stay closer” and the vast majority do. Countries bordering these places have millions of refugees compared to our thousands. But some will want to try and not live in a Turkish refugee camp and try and get somewhere they have family or a better chance of earning a wage.

And again Brexit has meant that we don’t have the cooperation we had to manage these people before they try to dingy across.

Forgetting the bloody dinghy’s for a moment, there have been millions arriving over the last 25 years and longer !? The UK has done its bit and way more.
Its not about the individuals or shouldn’t be, its about the overall impact.

 

[mmttww]

I still think it's a bit weird that people supporting proven racists by endorsing their policies and voting for them reject the idea that this probably means they're racist.

I've voted Green before. If someone said this makes me a leftie hippie idealist I'm not gonna argue with them. Reform has been led by people that are racist. I don't get it.

 

[Grendel]

Now you’re just being ridiculous.

One, it’s not a crime to mutter under your breath that you want to kill someone. Inciting violence by having a public call for the slitting of throats is, the same as planning to set fire to an Islamic centre.

Are you a lawyer? Or from a law background?

Lol he’s a teacher

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Yvette Cooper has pledged to deport all foreign undesirables as well.

Presumably you think Ms Cooper is also a fascist?

She has - but Yvette Cooper hasn’t threatened to flout human rights laws, international rules to do so - many of which we’re signatories too

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Forgetting the bloody dinghy’s for a moment, there have been millions arriving over the last 25 years and longer !? The UK has done its bit and way more.
Its not about the individuals or shouldn’t be, its about the overall impact.

Without being obtuse aren't the figures for those on the small boats around 200,000 since 2018?
Of which less than half get granted asylum

 

[SHUNT31]

This is where I struggle personally.
Yes immigration is important but is it as important as the NHS, lack of police on the streets, lack of housing , low wages , food banks , education , public services etc , etc ?
Sometimes wonder if by focusing on the most divisive issues our political parties take the focus off other more important ones ?

I completely agree. I am of no doubt there is a deliberate ploy by the state to push these issues, considering how badly the other areas are being managed.

But I also think for a lot of people this is the biggest issue too.

 

[Ashdown]

Whether these people get granted asylum or not is almost irrelevant.
How many have been refused and deported? Hideously low amounts. Most disappear sooner or later into established communities. Somehow or another they get NI numbers and are soon able to access work or benefits and everything else.
People wouldn’t be so angry if the country didn’t appear to be going to shit in conjunction with this influx.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

People wouldn’t be so angry if the country didn’t appear to be going to shit

That's all that needed saying really. Right to be angry, looking in the wrong direction for why it's the case though. The vast majority of immigrants remain law abiding, hardworking people who pay their taxes and do work that we either lack enough skilled people of our own to do, or it's work that's too poorly paid or with too unappealing conditions to attract homegrown workers.

The right have skilfully sold the immigration scapegoat to people who just want things to get better. The success of charlatans like Farage lies at the feet of the two major parties.

 

[bigfatronssba]

She has - but Yvette Cooper hasn’t threatened to flout human rights laws, international rules to do so - many of which we’re signatories too

The same Yvette Cooper that supported harsh lockdowns, denying the human rights laws around the right of assembly?

 

[Nick]

I still think it's a bit weird that people supporting proven racists by endorsing their policies and voting for them reject the idea that this probably means they're racist.

I've voted Green before. If someone said this makes me a leftie hippie idealist I'm not gonna argue with them. Reform has been led by people that are racist. I don't get it.

Using your logic, there are plenty of green voters around here who support sex offenders and in turn must be sex offenders themselves.

 

[bigfatronssba]

That's all that needed saying really. Right to be angry, looking in the wrong direction for why it's the case though. The vast majority of immigrants remain law abiding, hardworking people who pay their taxes and do work that we either lack enough skilled people of our own to do, or it's work that's too poorly paid or with too unappealing conditions to attract homegrown workers.

The right have skilfully sold the immigration scapegoat to people who just want things to get better. The success of charlatans like Farage lies at the feet of the two major parties.

You’re missing the distinction between legal migrants and illegal migrants

 

[Ashdown]

That's all that needed saying really. Right to be angry, looking in the wrong direction for why it's the case though. The vast majority of immigrants remain law abiding, hardworking people who pay their taxes and do work that we either lack enough skilled people of our own to do, or it's work that's too poorly paid or with too unappealing conditions to attract homegrown workers.

The right have skilfully sold the immigration scapegoat to people who just want things to get better. The success of charlatans like Farage lies at the feet of the two major parties.

Theres a lot of sense in what you say of course. Lots of people have become valuable citizens but then you read articles that suggest 50% of Londons social housing stock is occupied by foreign born people and many of them are also very reliant on a burgeoning welfare state. How the hell did that come to be ? It doesn’t all add up to me

 

[bigfatronssba]

Using your logic, there are plenty of green voters around here who support sex offenders and in turn must be sex offenders themselves.

I don’t think Green voters have sex tbh

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The same Yvette Cooper that supported harsh lockdowns, denying the human rights laws around the right of assembly?

Again you’re throwing Yvette cooper at me like it’s a gotcha. I’m not particularly happy with the authoritarian stance of the current Labour government. Especially with the online safety act, which in my eyes is a flagrant abuse of power, and one again that opens the floodgates to all sorts of issues to privacy.

the difference is she hasn’t threatened to shoot and mass murder people in their hunt to remove undesirables. Which is a bit more extreme and dare I say it fascist than hindering rights to assembly.

 

[mmttww]

Using your logic, there are plenty of green voters around here who support sex offenders and in turn must be sex offenders themselves.

Unless the Green party was founded by or led by sex offenders, or have a record of saying they support sex offending, I'm a bit lost here.

 

[Nick]

Unless the Green party was founded by or led by sex offenders, or have a record of saying they support sex offending, I'm a bit lost here.

Surely you know what I'm referring to?

I am sure there are hundreds of people in the area who support sex offending and in turn, they are offenders.

Just using your logic.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Again you’re throwing Yvette cooper at me like it’s a gotcha. I’m not particularly happy with the authoritarian stance of the current Labour government. Especially with the online safety act, which in my eyes is a flagrant abuse of power, and one again that opens the floodgates to all sorts of issues to privacy.

the difference is she hasn’t threatened to shoot and mass murder people in their hunt to remove undesirables. Which is a bit more extreme and dare I say it fascist than hindering rights to assembly.

Who has he threatened to mass murder?

I agree about creeping authoritarianism

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You’re missing the distinction between legal migrants and illegal migrants

Migrants who have come here and had their application refused of course need to be removed from the country. Asylum seekers regardless of how they came here need to have the claims processed far more quickly than they are being now and the practice of using hotels to 'hold' them has to stop.

Even if we succeeded in all of the above though, and I would like to, the country still has much bigger problems to solve.

 

[duffer]

I actually worked in the police force and I left because we were told when on shift there were certain demographics of people they couldn't arrest. It does happen.

Forgive me, but I seriously doubt that you were ever a copper.

Not hard to find out though.

You don't need to out yourself, but can you name what division you were in, and the rank and name of one of the custody officers who were there at the same time?

You did at some point arrest at least one white person, surely, or were you promoted direct to CI5/SAS/Delta Force after training?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

On a boat across perilous seas? How’s that civilised?

Leaving behind their families in worn torn countries. Not very civilised

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Lots of people have become valuable citizens

I agree.

 

[mmttww]

Surely you know what I'm referring to?

I could guess, but I talked about something factual i.e. Reform leaders have said openly racist and anti-Semitic things in the past.

Inferring people endorse sex offenders because they ask questions about attitudes to asylum seekers isn't the same thing.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I mean why else would you threaten to put the Royal Navy in the channel? Something again Farage has suggested

in fact someone campaigning in his campaign suggested we should just shoot the boats whilst making racial slurs to Rishi Sunak.

I mean I agree with you on the creeping authoritarianism. The online safety act is a huge red flag and I don’t think saying “if you want it gone - you’re on the side of paedophiles” is the correct way to go about it.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Migrants who have come here and had their application refused of course need to be removed from the country. Asylum seekers regardless of how they came here need to have the claims processed far more quickly than they are being now and the practice of using hotels to 'hold' them has to stop.

Even if we succeeded in all of the above though, and I would like to, the country still has much bigger problems to solve.

Imo entering the country illegally should be grounds for an automatic refusal.

The immigration problem is a symptom of those bigger problems

 

[shmmeee]

Forgetting the bloody dinghy’s for a moment, there have been millions arriving over the last 25 years and longer !? The UK has done its bit and way more.
Its not about the individuals or shouldn’t be, its about the overall impact.

No there hasn’t.

 

[shmmeee]

Imo entering the country illegally should be grounds for an automatic refusal.

The immigration problem is a symptom of those bigger problems

OK “you’re refused” and then what?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Imo entering the country illegally should be grounds for an automatic refusal.

The immigration problem is a symptom of those bigger problems

According to the refugee convention which we're signed up to, you cannot discriminate someone's claim based on how they entered the country. By definition you cannot be an illegal asylum seeker until the claim has been refused.

I agree that the immigration issues are a symptom of the bigger problems.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I mean why else would you threaten to put the Royal Navy in the channel? Something again Farage has suggested

in fact someone campaigning in his campaign suggested we should just shoot the boats whilst making racial slurs to Rishi Sunak.

I mean I agree with you on the creeping authoritarianism. The online safety act is a huge red flag and I don’t think saying “if you want it gone - you’re on the side of paedophiles” is the correct way to go about it.

The navy should be deployed to turn them back.

I’m fairly confident that person who made the comments about Sunak was a Channel 4 put up. No one talks like that, racist or otherwise

 

[PVA]

One thing that's become very apparent on here recently is that the right claim to love law and order but haven't got a fucking clue how the justice system works.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The navy should be deployed to turn them back.

I’m fairly confident that person who made the comments about Sunak was a Channel 4 put up. No one talks like that, racist or otherwise

Well the French should be trying much harder to stop them leaving in the first place.

 

[shmmeee]

The navy should be deployed to turn them back.

I’m fairly confident that person who made the comments about Sunak was a Channel 4 put up. No one talks like that, racist or otherwise

How would that work?

You want us to send them into France? What does “turn them back” mean when you’re not in international waters and sea law applies? You want us to leave any conventions on laws of the sea too?

 

[bigfatronssba]

OK “you’re refused” and then what?

Well if you’re asking me to formulate a policy, I’d say there would be three options.

1) They can voluntarily go back to their home country
2) Forcibly removed back to their home country if possible
3) Sent to somewhere like West Falkland or St Helena where their basic needs will be met

 

[Ccfcisparks]

The navy should be deployed to turn them back.

I’m fairly confident that person who made the comments about Sunak was a Channel 4 put up. No one talks like that, racist or otherwise

Could we perhaps bring back national service to allow the common man the opportunity to prevent them arriving?

Perhaps have them fighting on the beaches preventing them invading

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The navy should be deployed to turn them back.

I’m fairly confident that person who made the comments about Sunak was a Channel 4 put up. No one talks like that, racist or otherwise

And how do they turn them back? What do they do if they don’t? What if they’re already in British waters?

and aah yes. You remind me of that woman who was questioned on Farage’s voting on employees rights , she replied “no - not my nige”