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You do realise where the 12 step stuff came from?
You comparing it to somebody having a wank or a beer.
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You comparing it to somebody having a wank or a beer.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep
No I wasn’t but it’s principles are used across all addictjons
Captain Dart
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The rot in the Labour party runs as deep as any.
Wes Streeting the Health Minister is facing the sack because it's emerged he had an affair with Mandleson.
Al Jazeera reports there is a recording in the Epstein files where Epstein and Ehud Barak the former PM of Israel discuss how much Tony Blair is getting from Governments for advice and how former politicians can make money after leaving office.
Barak says Blair "is doing some probably $11m per year from the Kazakhstan government just to give them advice, to help them with lobbying in some NGO or UN organization." and "I hear gigantic numbers given to Tony – $5m here, $10m here, $5m there. Tony’s not making $30m a year," he says, adding: "He’s making $10m a year."
Furthermore TONY BLAIR met with Jeffrey EPSTEIN in Downing Street while still prime minister, following lobbying by Lord Peter MANDELSON.
Another one..A former Labour councillor sent a video of his penis to what he thought was a 13-year-old girl, a court has heard
www.telegraph.co.uk
There's more..
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg, the party is rotten to the core.
Wes Streeting the Health Minister is facing the sack because it's emerged he had an affair with Mandleson.
Al Jazeera reports there is a recording in the Epstein files where Epstein and Ehud Barak the former PM of Israel discuss how much Tony Blair is getting from Governments for advice and how former politicians can make money after leaving office.
Barak says Blair "is doing some probably $11m per year from the Kazakhstan government just to give them advice, to help them with lobbying in some NGO or UN organization." and "I hear gigantic numbers given to Tony – $5m here, $10m here, $5m there. Tony’s not making $30m a year," he says, adding: "He’s making $10m a year."
Furthermore TONY BLAIR met with Jeffrey EPSTEIN in Downing Street while still prime minister, following lobbying by Lord Peter MANDELSON.
Another one..A former Labour councillor sent a video of his penis to what he thought was a 13-year-old girl, a court has heard
Former Labour councillor sent video of his penis to ‘13-year-old’
Father-of-one shared explicit messages with an undercover police officer posing as a minor, court hears
www.telegraph.co.uk
There's more..
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg, the party is rotten to the core.
Sky Blue Pete
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why would streeting be sacked for having an affair with another man?The rot in the Labour party runs as deep as any.
Wes Streeting the Health Minister is facing the sack because it's emerged he had an affair with Mandleson.
Al Jazeera reports there is a recording in the Epstein files where Epstein and Ehud Barak the former PM of Israel discuss how much Tony Blair is getting from Governments for advice and how former politicians can make money after leaving office.
Barak says Blair "is doing some probably $11m per year from the Kazakhstan government just to give them advice, to help them with lobbying in some NGO or UN organization." and "I hear gigantic numbers given to Tony – $5m here, $10m here, $5m there. Tony’s not making $30m a year," he says, adding: "He’s making $10m a year."
Furthermore TONY BLAIR met with Jeffrey EPSTEIN in Downing Street while still prime minister, following lobbying by Lord Peter MANDELSON.
Another one..A former Labour councillor sent a video of his penis to what he thought was a 13-year-old girl, a court has heard
Former Labour councillor sent video of his penis to ‘13-year-old’
Father-of-one shared explicit messages with an undercover police officer posing as a minor, court hears
There's more..
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I think this is just the tip of the iceberg, the party is rotten to the core.
I think they all fall into this category, pretty sure Boris is getting his wedge out of it, not withstanding that's disgusting,root and branch reform for all of it there is no confidence in any of them, got any suggestions?The rot in the Labour party runs as deep as any.
Wes Streeting the Health Minister is facing the sack because it's emerged he had an affair with Mandleson.
Al Jazeera reports there is a recording in the Epstein files where Epstein and Ehud Barak the former PM of Israel discuss how much Tony Blair is getting from Governments for advice and how former politicians can make money after leaving office.
Barak says Blair "is doing some probably $11m per year from the Kazakhstan government just to give them advice, to help them with lobbying in some NGO or UN organization." and "I hear gigantic numbers given to Tony – $5m here, $10m here, $5m there. Tony’s not making $30m a year," he says, adding: "He’s making $10m a year."
Furthermore TONY BLAIR met with Jeffrey EPSTEIN in Downing Street while still prime minister, following lobbying by Lord Peter MANDELSON.
Another one..A former Labour councillor sent a video of his penis to what he thought was a 13-year-old girl, a court has heard
Former Labour councillor sent video of his penis to ‘13-year-old’
Father-of-one shared explicit messages with an undercover police officer posing as a minor, court hears
There's more..
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I think this is just the tip of the iceberg, the party is rotten to the core.
Man the lifeboats there's a change a coming.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Another story that is quite frankly astounding.
www.bbc.co.uk
Shahid Butt defends Birmingham election candidacy despite bomb plot past
Shahid Butt will stand in Birmingham's council election and says his conviction in 1999 was unsafe.
www.bbc.co.uk
Ccfcisparks
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Lord strike me down, i’ve agreed on something with Rupert Lowe
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Sky Blue Pete
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Not hiding anything I supposeAnother story that is quite frankly astounding.
Shahid Butt defends Birmingham election candidacy despite bomb plot past
Shahid Butt will stand in Birmingham's council election and says his conviction in 1999 was unsafe.
Sky Blue Pete
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Same
chiefdave
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Farage telling everyone to go into the office, how much time does he spend in an office in Clacton?
skybluetony176
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Can’t see it on here but Andrew Lownie was doing the news rounds yesterday and stated that when he was doing research into Andrew’s relationship with Epstein he kept hearing a story that a British PM (no longer serving) had a threesome with Epstein and Maxwell and details coming out in the latest release of the Epstein files seem to collaborate that story. He hasn’t named them directly but the timeline suggests it was either Blair, Brown, Cameron or Boris. Personally I’m ruling Brown out, Blair seems unlikely but you can’t rule it out given his relationship with Mandy. Cameron and Boris went to Uni with Maxwell so they’re all old friends. The only thing Lownie would say cryptically is it wasn’t Churchill. Now remind me. Who’s idol was Churchill?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Hmmm.... which one of those really couldn't keep it in his pants...?
Mind you, why couldn't it have been a female? Why are you ruling out May? Or perhaps Truss managed to fit it into her crashing the economy schedule during her month and a bit?
fernandopartridge
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What?! You think Blair is the only politician making money after leaving office or something?
fernandopartridge
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fernandopartridge
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To add to that, I don't think many former politicians on the pay roll of various other states and / or wealthy individuals seek to influence UK politics quite as overtly as Blair. You can only imagine what he's doing covertly.
There are many things in this world that are accepted that are far more ghastly than politicians making money after leaving office.
Many even do it while in office.
I was not defending Blair, or anyone, just found it strange to use that as an attack like against him when they all do it.
Sky Blue Pete
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Cause god has placed him there
SBAndy
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Solution? Do we go for the Singapore model and pay them an absolute fuckton of money in office and ramp up anti-corruption legislation?
Sky Blue Pete
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Think it’s the only solution
Grendel
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Blair is unique in the way he’s exploited his position as PM for wealth and subsequent influence
If you're talking UK only then yes.
But Clinton, Bush and Obama have made far more after leaving office. And Trump between terms.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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People that are supposed to have been in power for the greater good of the people they represent and end up doing the exact opposite so they can be paid to lobby for big business and the rich.
Just because it's a common occurrence doesn't mean it's not an incredibly shitty state of affairs.
Another story that is quite frankly astounding.
Shahid Butt defends Birmingham election candidacy despite bomb plot past
Shahid Butt will stand in Birmingham's council election and says his conviction in 1999 was unsafe.
It’s very strange. He says the charges were fabricated etc but then you look at his recent comments at the Villa match and it makes you wonder about his suitability anyway
All I’d say is if there was if a candidate had been convicted of planning to blow up a mosque (fabricated or not) tried campaigning in that area they wouldn’t survive long.
Birmingham council is such a shambles so nothing surprises me about anything involved with it these days. Maybe a combative convicted terrorist might shake some of them up a bit to do some good in the area
fernandopartridge
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I am not sure it is the solution and / or the only solution. Politicians are paid extremely well for a job that requires no formal training or qualifications. They receive pay that puts them into the top 5% of employees paying income tax. On top of that, they receive extensive living expenses that an ordinary person earning their salary would not.
They receive both an MP pension and a ministerial pension if they have been a minister. They have a defined benefit pension based on a handy career average salary which works nicely for a job where you are not paid lower early in your career unlike other public servants.
Even despite all this, you've got people like Blair and Osborne who are frankly just greedy. No amount of huge salary and benefits will be enough for these people.
Sky Blue Pete
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You have to remove the expectation and opportunity for anyone doing anything other than the mp job while they’re doing it
Captain Dart
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It looks like Mandleson is going to be arrested soon. 
Sky Blue Pete
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Can’t believe he got away with it and would have continued to. The lack of governance is shockingIt looks like Mandleson is going to be arrested soon.
Captain Dart
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Mandelson spent years passing confidential UK government data to friends and business contacts and advising them how to manipulate policy while getting paid for it in money and favours. He was also placing his own people into influential positions withing the Labour party like McSweeny and Streeting. Lammy was also his deputy while Mandy was leaking information as the business secretary but he's got the brain power of a cabbage so it's entirely possible he didn't realise what was happening right under his nose.
It's a right old deep and murky rabbit hole.
Sky Blue Pete
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And ive had people sacked for claiming too much t and s by a few quid