Do you want to discuss boring politics? (75 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

You do realise that's actually what comparing is?

I don’t agree but that’s ok we don’t have to agree.

I’m interested in your and others binary approach. Any sexual offences seem to have an additional stigma.

We should probably understand that this leave society at risk of more crime in this area and not less

That’s my point.
Would you stay in contact with a friend who was an alcoholic and help them?
Would you stay in contact with a friend who is struggling with drug addiction and help them?
Would you stay in contact with a friend who beat someone up and help them?

I know I’m wasting my time but I’ll keep trying because if people who commit sexual crime have accommodation on release from prison, contact with people and something to do they are hugely less likely to reoffend

I know you think I’m a naive prick with no life experience but thems the facts

 

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[rob9872]

Tbf Pete, reading back and despite all the petty cheap shots at each other, you opened it up by suggesting it should say 'white nonce' and leading the narrative that it always mentions it the other way. It doesn't, when the reverse is true, it often says Muslim, so on that basis rather than white you should have gone Christian or Agnostic and not brought colour into it. It reads as though you love the fact this is a white nonce, can't we all agree that all nonces are bad regardless of background? He's also a lone ranger, not working in gangs. Equally abhorrent on its own, and everyone rightly outraged, but when speaking about grooming gangs it's a different conversation.

Tbh you're a bit all over the place with it and if you revel in the fact that we've got our own cunts to justify the existence of others then I think I'd probably sit this one out.

 

[Grendel]

I don’t agree but that’s ok we don’t have to agree.

I’m interested in your and others binary approach. Any sexual offences seem to have an additional stigma.

We should probably understand that this leave society at risk of more crime in this area and not less

That’s my point.
Would you stay in contact with a friend who was an alcoholic and help them?
Would you stay in contact with a friend who is struggling with drug addiction and help them?
Would you stay in contact with a friend who beat someone up and help them?

I know I’m wasting my time but I’ll keep trying because if people who commit sexual crime have accommodation on release from prison, contact with people and something to do they are hugely less likely to reoffend

I know you think I’m a naive prick with no life experience but thems the facts

The options you present are binary.

Would you sympathise with an alcoholic? Depends as said alcoholic could when intoxicated smash his wifes face in every night with children cowering under the bed.

Likewise a drug addict that mugs a pensioner in the street as they "need" a fix

A friend beats his girlfriend as she doesn't want sex that night

Unfortunately as someone who has addictions I don't buy into this bullshit that things are beyond your control so you can excuse behaviours. I've seen people in groups convince themselves alcohol and drug abuse is worse than cancer as its never cured or sympathised with. I have heard people describe things they have done behind the sanctity of a Group that people just would not believe.

Actually people need to take ownership and stop or accept the consequence of their own behaviours.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Tbf Pete, reading back and despite all the petty cheap shots at each other, you opened it up by suggesting it should say 'white nonce' and leading the narrative that it always mentions it the other way. It doesn't, when the reverse is true, it often says Muslim, so on that basis rather than white you should have gone Christian or Agnostic and not brought colour into it. It reads as though you love the fact this is a white nonce, can't we all agree that all nonces are bad regardless of background? He's also a lone ranger, not working in gangs. Equally abhorrent on its own, and everyone rightly outraged, but when speaking about grooming gangs it's a different conversation.

Tbh you're a bit all over the place with it and if you revel in the fact that we've got our own cunts to justify the existence of others then I think I'd probably sit this one out.

Fair I did bring up the white stuff and I’m sorry for doing so
I don’t revel in it it’s just awful but if that’s impression I give I need to put that straight
It’s all equally abhorrent but obviously the more people affected the worse it is. Same with this guy the age and violence is pretty much something none of us can get our heads around
Thanks for jumping in

 

[Nick]

I don’t agree but that’s ok we don’t have to agree.

I’m interested in your and others binary approach. Any sexual offences seem to have an additional stigma.

We should probably understand that this leave society at risk of more crime in this area and not less

That’s my point.
Would you stay in contact with a friend who was an alcoholic and help them?
Would you stay in contact with a friend who is struggling with drug addiction and help them?
Would you stay in contact with a friend who beat someone up and help them?

I know I’m wasting my time but I’ll keep trying because if people who commit sexual crime have accommodation on release from prison, contact with people and something to do they are hugely less likely to reoffend

I know you think I’m a naive prick with no life experience but thems the facts

Pete, I don't find it acceptable to be friends with somebody who has sexually assaulted a child. It's as simple as that.

Maybe if more people would be like this then there would be less covering up of grooming gangs.

Having a mate who had a drunken fight isn't the same as having a mate who groomed and sexually assaulted a child.

 

[Grendel]

Pete, I don't find it acceptable to be friends with somebody who has sexually assaulted a child. It's as simple as that.

Maybe if more people would be like this then there would be less covering up of grooming gangs.

Having a mate who had a drunken fight isn't the same as having a mate who groomed and sexually assaulted a child.

He has fully swallowed the 12 step BS

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The options you present are binary.

Would you sympathise with an alcoholic? Depends as said alcoholic could when intoxicated smash his wifes face in every night with children cowering under the bed.

Likewise a drug addict that mugs a pensioner in the street as they "need" a fix

A friend beats his girlfriend as she doesn't want sex that night

Unfortunately as someone who has addictions I don't buy into this bullshit that things are beyond your control so you can excuse behaviours. I've seen people in groups convince themselves alcohol and drug abuse is worse than cancer as its never cured or sympathised with. I have heard people describe things they have done behind the sanctity of a Group that people just would not believe.

Actually people need to take ownership and stop or accept the consequence of their own behaviours.

Deliberately put as binary because they’re not i completely agree hence asking the questions

I think I agree about taking ownership especially as there is a lot of help available. Where I think you would agree is if you aren’t able to access the right help it might be at least a mitigation for your actions. Mental health being quite a big one in terms of chemical imbalances etc

Anyway Rob has put me right on this and I’ll try to be much clearer when I’m being funny or sarcastic or serious as there really are no givens between our discussions

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He has fully swallowed the 12 step BS

Never needed to but think it’s quite well accepted as a useful model out of addiction

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pete, I don't find it acceptable to be friends with somebody who has sexually assaulted a child. It's as simple as that.

Maybe if more people would be like this then there would be less covering up of grooming gangs.

Having a mate who had a drunken fight isn't the same as having a mate who groomed and sexually assaulted a child.

Ok I’d respect you either way. I wouldn’t think you were condoning their behaviour or actions if you did choose to. Your friendship may be what means they don’t offend again.

 

[Nick]

Ok I’d respect you either way. I wouldn’t think you were condoning their behaviour or actions if you did choose to. Your friendship may be what means they don’t offend again.

It might also mean that's no consequence so they keep doing it if their "friends" think it's ok.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It might also mean that's no consequence so they keep doing it if their "friends" think it's ok.

True especially if the contact is misunderstood

 

[Nick]

True especially if the contact is misunderstood

Even more so when friends and family help cover it up.

 

[Captain Dart]

Looks like he’ll survive the week and probably go after the local elections
Either stubborn or resilient depends on your view

I didn't think there were going to be many, hasn't Labour cancelled half of them to 'reorganise local government' or put more distance between the public and decision makers if you're an old cynic like me.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Even more so when friends and family help cover it up.

Completely agree or minimise what was done or the impact on those affected

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I didn't think there were going to be many, hasn't Labour cancelled half of them to 'reorganise local government' or put more distance between the public and decision makers if you're an old cynic like me.

Think the local councils asked for permission to cancel them if there were boundaries that were being reorganised and somewhere between that and your explanation lies the truth

 

[Grendel]

Never needed to but think it’s quite well accepted as a useful model out of addiction

It has a 93% failure rate