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Grendel

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I don't think it is, to be honest. Addiction is incredibly powerful but many people don't take responsibility for their actions/understand it's down to them to change their behaviour.

The issue is Pete believes people can be cured.

Child abusers like all people who are addicted to unnatural urges are manipulative and want to find a way to carry on with their desires. There will be zero accountability. Even if you can get 10% not to relapse 90% will and all it does is make these people better at covering the way they operate
 

Grendel

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With help and support I agree

You will still be end up with 9 out of 10 abusers eager and ready again to abuse again which is why they must remain incarcerated for ever or put down
 

Sky Blue Pete

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The issue is Pete believes people can be cured.

Child abusers like all people who are addicted to unnatural urges are manipulative and want to find a way to carry on with their desires. There will be zero accountability. Even if you can get 10% not to relapse 90% will and all it does is make these people better at covering the way they operate
I prefer rehabilitated rather than cured and actually with attraction and addiction I completely accept that the urges won’t go away
I am far more interested in people understanding that, owning what they’ve done, understanding why they did it, the impact on the victims and them to work out what they can do to not reoffend
I believe that’s possible for many people involved in addictive behaviour.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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You will still be end up with 9 out of 10 abusers eager and ready again to abuse again which is why they must remain incarcerated for ever or put down
Well that’s not what we do
It’s also not what the evidence says in other similar countries or even our country for many offences
 

Grendel

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Well that’s not what we do
It’s also not what the evidence says in other similar countries or even our country for many offences

They just don’t get caught doing it again. Fuck me you are out of your depth
 

Grendel

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Sky Blue Pete

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The nativity is astonishing.

I prefer doing what we can to stop people offending to be honest but I’ll challenge what I can to ensure we don’t leave our communities and institutions more at risk than less

Way over 99% of those convicted will be released so why not do something to make their chance of offending less
 

Grendel

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I prefer doing what we can to stop people offending to be honest but I’ll challenge what I can to ensure we don’t leave our communities and institutions more at risk than less

Way over 99% of those convicted will be released so why not do something to make their chance of offending less

What’s the percentage of people being raped even reporting it?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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What’s the percentage of people being raped even reporting it?
Youre saying you’re the expert rather than those that work in the area
Ok

it’s like nicks answer about being friends with violent mates
Instead of saying no he made excuses for their behaviour

Give me evidence that shows you can’t rehabilitate offenders especially those convicted of a sexual offence
 

Nick

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Woah
I’m not arguing with you
One of my biggest issues has been diets and I think it’s a very similar issue

Slipping up and having a takeaway is again very different to sexually assaulting a child.

I'm not sure why you keep trying to play it down.

Look at that man in Gregg's, bet he has a wank and is eating a sausage roll. Must be the next Ian Huntley.
 

Nick

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Youre saying you’re the expert rather than those that work in the area
Ok

it’s like nicks answer about being friends with violent mates
Instead of saying no he made excuses for their behaviour

Give me evidence that shows you can’t rehabilitate offenders especially those convicted of a sexual offence
What you're getting at, maybe not meaning to is to normalise noncing. Wasn't there a thing set up back in the day?

I've said I've got a mate who was arrested for a scrap outside a night club years ago and it's not comparable to somebody who harms kids, who I know would have backs turned on them, if not a slap.
 

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