Do you want to discuss boring politics? (27 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Ps how do you properly build any significant new energy infrastructure etc in a country where we can’t even build transport infrastructure in a timely, cost efficient manner. Everything just gets bogged down in nonsense see HS2 as well as stuff like this…

Lower Thames Crossing planning application becomes UK's longest ever - at more than 350,000 pages, and costing almost £300m

The planning application for a £10bn road project to relieve traffic on the M25 at Dartford has become Britain's biggest ever.

www.cityam.com

Delaying things because of inflationary pressures doesn't make the inflation go away either!

 

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[CCFCSteve]

Delaying things because of inflationary pressures doesn't make the inflation go away either!

Problem is due to these planning related delays, not only does the planning process end up costing a load more than expected but you end up having to pay a lot more for the project (as you say due to inflation etc). Happening in private sector as well as public and is one of the major issues we need to address as a country

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Problem is due to these planning related delays, not only does the planning process end up costing a load more than expected but you end up having to pay a lot more for the project (as you say due to inflation etc). Happening in private sector as well as public and is one of the major issues we need to address as a country

There is a balance to be struck between having too few regulations as to be dangerous, and too many as to be cumbersome. As a layperson in this area it does look far too lopsided in the latter direction.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Ps how do you properly build any significant new energy infrastructure etc in a country where we can’t even build transport infrastructure in a timely, cost efficient manner. Everything just gets bogged down in nonsense see HS2 as well as stuff like this…

Lower Thames Crossing planning application becomes UK's longest ever - at more than 350,000 pages, and costing almost £300m

The planning application for a £10bn road project to relieve traffic on the M25 at Dartford has become Britain's biggest ever.

www.cityam.com

It’s a huge problem, all of our infrastructure projects always come in over budget with huge delays. At some point, a PM will get elected to have a bonfire of red tape.

The prevailing mood of the country was that our state apparatuses were paralysed by a feeble Tory government riddled with infighting. We’re barely 18 months into a new Labour government and it’s unravelling. Putting party politics aside, it’s clear that the state is broken on a fundamental level.

 

[PVA]

At some point, a PM will get elected to have a bonfire of red tape.

Wasn't that supposed to be a big Brexit benefit? In reality it's actually made it worse for many.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Wasn't that supposed to be a big Brexit benefit? In reality it's actually made it worse for many.

International trade for SMEs is undoubtedly more difficult post-Brexit. For big corporations and the like, not much has changed.

What a lot of people don’t really understand about Brexit is that most EU regulations are still on the statute books. To generalise, an extensive copy and paste job removing references to EU and Commission to UK Parliament and the monarchy.

The Tories did flirt with a sun set law which would allow all these to expire unless specifically kept on. For whatever reason, they backed away from that presumably because of Tory in-fighting and the day-to-day parliamentary business would’ve been taken up with this.

The idea that Brexit would come without disruption and there would be this ‘big bang’ of economic growth was going to be fanciful. These massive constitutional changes take decades to make a difference, just as it did with the UK joining the EC in the first place.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It’s a huge problem, all of our infrastructure projects always come in over budget with huge delays. At some point, a PM will get elected to have a bonfire of red tape.

The prevailing mood of the country was that our state apparatuses were paralysed by a feeble Tory government riddled with infighting. We’re barely 18 months into a new Labour government and it’s unravelling. Putting party politics aside, it’s clear that the state is broken on a fundamental level.

But you have to be careful. There tends to be an overreaction by both sides whenever change occurs. When we have a massive deregulation because of rules stifling business and growth. Then a few years later it all goes to shit because the things that we build as a result of that deregulation break and are proved to be dangerous (or in terms of the finance industry collapse and cause recession). Then we have a huge new load of regulation brought in to protect against that. An so it goes on...

Striking that balance between the two if very hard, especially when you have a very loud and powerful group complaining when they have any kind of regulation to adhere to at all. There are so many things that need to be taken into consideration when making decisions that they are sadly going to be long winded and costly. But we'd probably find that cheap in the long run if we didn't have those processes and had to fix them after the fact because we didn't consider them in the planning stage.

On the whole, I think regulation (and legislation in general) should be what an ethical person would do even if the legislation wasn't there. Then it's not really a burden as it's what you would naturally be doing anyway. And if you are someone who complains about that because you wouldn't do it, we need to stop to you because you're going to cause nothing but problems. Like there being a law against murder. 99.9% of people will never commit a murder but that doesn't mean we should remove murder from the statute books.

 

[Grendel]

Who words "who cares" spring to mind

Sally Rooney says UK prisoners linked to Palestine Action face ‘shocking mistreatment’

Exclusive: author urges ministers to engage with those on hunger strike, who want better conditions, bail and lifting of ban

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Who words "who cares" spring to mind

Sally Rooney says UK prisoners linked to Palestine Action face ‘shocking mistreatment’

Exclusive: author urges ministers to engage with those on hunger strike, who want better conditions, bail and lifting of ban

www.theguardian.com

Empathy man ffs

 

[Grendel]

Empathy man ffs

They had a choice

Fuck around and find out

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They had a choice

Fuck around and find out

Even so
You think they should be treated like shit?
Must be so easy living in your binary world where no one makes mistakes and the world is neatly split into the deserving and undeserving

 

[Grendel]

Even so
You think they should be treated like shit?
Must be so easy living in your binary world where no one makes mistakes and the world is neatly split into the deserving and undeserving

They deliberately committed a crime which has to policed at significant cost

If they refuse to eat that is up to them.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They deliberately committed a crime which has to policed at significant cost

If they refuse to eat that is up to them.

Did you read why they were refusing to eat and on that I agree it is completely up to them

 

[Grendel]

Did you read why they were refusing to eat and on that I agree it is completely up to them

Yes they would like better conditions (boo hoo), release on bail (should have thought about that before they broke the law) and the law changed so they are not guilty anyway.

Honestly I have no time for these people and hopefully its a lesson to smug middle class people who think they can be above the law that actually they are now the same as any other common criminal.

 

[Captain Dart]

They deliberately committed a crime which has to policed at significant cost

If they refuse to eat that is up to them.

I think they'll give up their hunger strike soon enough.
Actually (responsible) fasting is quite good for you.

 

[Grendel]

I think they'll give up their hunger strike soon enough.
Actually (responsible) fasting is quite good for you.

There is probably a period of adjustment when they realise the food isn’t being bought in from Waitrose

 

[Captain Dart]

Quel surprise.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Most of this is a cartoonish farce, but credit where it's due for Ed Davey's question on 6 minutes.

 

[mmttww]

Norwich MP Clive Lewis offers seat to Burnham for Starmer challenge

Clive Lewis says he would step down to allow Mayor Andy Burnham the chance to become Labour leader.

www.bbc.co.uk

too much going on here for there to be nowt in it.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yes they would like better conditions (boo hoo), release on bail (should have thought about that before they broke the law) and the law changed so they are not guilty anyway.

Honestly I have no time for these people and hopefully its a lesson to smug middle class people who think they can be above the law that actually they are now the same as any other common criminal.

You need some empathy my man

 

[PVA]

Norwich MP Clive Lewis offers seat to Burnham for Starmer challenge

Clive Lewis says he would step down to allow Mayor Andy Burnham the chance to become Labour leader.

www.bbc.co.uk

too much going on here for there to be nowt in it.

Clive Lewis is an idiot. Doing his best to bring down the government (as if they need any help etc etc).

He should go and join his pals Corbyn and Sultana because he is doing absolutely nothing for the party he claims to represent right now

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Clive Lewis is an idiot. Doing his best to bring down the government (as if they need any help etc etc).

He should go and join his pals Corbyn and Sultana because he is doing absolutely nothing for the party he claims to represent right now

No way there is any seat in the country that Labour won

 

[rob9872]

Has anyone seen Keir's video to his son? Fk me I thought it was parody. So out of touch and trying so very much too hard. Beyond cringe.

At least keep private stuff, private. Weaponising the family, isn’t a great look at all.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Has anyone seen Keir's video to his son? Fk me I thought it was parody. So out of touch and trying so very much too hard. Beyond cringe.

At least keep private stuff, private. Weaponising the family, isn’t a great look at all.

He can’t win

 

[rob9872]

He can’t win

He can. By delivering the manifesto to the people that voted for him. That way they' might do so again.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He can. By delivering the manifesto to the people that voted for him. That way they' might do so again.

Caught between a vocal left wing and vocal right wing
No chance
What do you want him to deliver

 

[rob9872]

Caught between a vocal left wing and vocal right wing
No chance
What do you want him to deliver

The right wing didn't appoint him. Arguably not the left either.

He set out with a list of things that his parliament was going to achieve and an agenda for the five years in office, Start working down that list, it's what those who voted for him want. Ignore the noise, it's just noise.

You'd be surprised how many would respect that stance whether they voted for him or not, but as with most of this very poor crop we've been delivered in recent years, they are more interested in the social media profile.

 

[rob9872]

He's actually a very grey man of no substance. The clip I saw recently where he crossed the floor to share a joke and a smile with Farage tells you pretty much all you need to know about all of them on all sides, that this really is a pantomime. Barely any of them have a backbone and even less have strong principles.

There was a lot of love for Ken Clarke after his QT slot last week, even by those who vehemently disagreed with him over the years, because even at 85, he was still clearly more than a spokesman and if anything demonstrated just how low the bar has now been set across both sides of the house.

 

[SBAndy]

The right wing didn't appoint him. Arguably not the left either.

He set out with a list of things that his parliament was going to achieve and an agenda for the five years in office, Start working down that list, it's what those who voted for him want. Ignore the noise, it's just noise.

You'd be surprised how many would respect that stance whether they voted for him or not, but as with most of this very poor crop we've been delivered in recent years, they are more interested in the social media profile.

FWIW I do think he’s got a bit of a raw deal with Trump’s tariffs leading to a bit of a global economic slowdown which clearly wouldn’t have been factored into manifesto pledges. That said, I do wholeheartedly agree that they (and all politicians) need to block out the noise and focus on the job. Said repeatedly they seem to still be in campaign mode rather than governing mode - the comms (and subsequently the optics) have been terrible.

 

[Captain Dart]

Caught between a vocal left wing and vocal right wing
No chance
What do you want him to deliver

His resignation or a general election.

 

[PVA]

Said repeatedly they seem to still be in campaign mode rather than governing mode - the comms (and subsequently the optics) have been terrible.

They have been doing some good things but yes agree with you and this bit is key - any good stuff they have done gets lost or ignored because the comms are so bloody awful.

 

[fernandopartridge]

They had a choice

Fuck around and find out

Come on man that's ridiculous

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The right wing didn't appoint him. Arguably not the left either.

He set out with a list of things that his parliament was going to achieve and an agenda for the five years in office, Start working down that list, it's what those who voted for him want. Ignore the noise, it's just noise.

You'd be surprised how many would respect that stance whether they voted for him or not, but as with most of this very poor crop we've been delivered in recent years, they are more interested in the social media profile.

He’s done lots of it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He's actually a very grey man of no substance. The clip I saw recently where he crossed the floor to share a joke and a smile with Farage tells you pretty much all you need to know about all of them on all sides, that this really is a pantomime. Barely any of them have a backbone and even less have strong principles.

There was a lot of love for Ken Clarke after his QT slot last week, even by those who vehemently disagreed with him over the years, because even at 85, he was still clearly more than a spokesman and if anything demonstrated just how low the bar has now been set across both sides of the house.

Nothing new there

 

[fernandopartridge]

Has anyone seen Keir's video to his son? Fk me I thought it was parody. So out of touch and trying so very much too hard. Beyond cringe.

At least keep private stuff, private. Weaponising the family, isn’t a great look at all.

He's just a completely empty vessel, he's somehow less sincere than somebody like Boris Johnson.