Do you want to discuss boring politics? (19 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

 

---

[duffer]

God I bet you're fun at parties.

Well, he's definitely an attention seeking clown, so I guess that might help.

He's only got one routine though and it's so tedious that he's on permanent mute for me. I bet his friends, if he's got any, wish they had the same option.

 

[chiefdave]

One of the issues is that there are often conditions attached when providing assistance to homeless people. This can range from having to give up their dog to alcohol & drug testing. This leads to people refusing assistance or being thrown out of whatever assistance program there in.

There have been places that have trialled giving assistance without these conditions, with a lot of success and in the long term reintegrating people back into society and making a meaningful contribution. Not really caught on though as 'giving houses to drug addicts' is a hard sell politically.

Andy Street when he was first campaigning for mayor promised to end homelessness in his first hundred days, was very little mention of it once elected. There's no reason really for anyone to be on the streets, we say when we first went into lockdown that it is entirely possible to resolve the issue.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

One of the issues is that there are often conditions attached when providing assistance to homeless people. This can range from having to give up their dog to alcohol & drug testing. This leads to people refusing assistance or being thrown out of whatever assistance program there in.

There have been places that have trialled giving assistance without these conditions, with a lot of success and in the long term reintegrating people back into society and making a meaningful contribution. Not really caught on though as 'giving houses to drug addicts' is a hard sell politically.

Andy Street when he was first campaigning for mayor promised to end homelessness in his first hundred days, was very little mention of it once elected. There's no reason really for anyone to be on the streets, we say when we first went into lockdown that it is entirely possible to resolve the issue.

I remember seeing some US studies that suggested it would be a net saving if you housed every homeless person because of what you save from all the primary and secondary costs of dealing with it.

Even if it didn’t, people being on the street doesn’t sit right with me.

 

[duffer]

A childhood friend of mine became homeless a few years ago after getting addicted to heroin over 10 years ago. When we were in contact he turned down multiple attempts to help him from authorities and even us giving him money on the condition he gave you drugs.

So homeless because he was an addict in this case. Presumably not because he really wanted to live on the streets.

That's not exactly an unusual story, a friend's son went through something very similar. It's also far from the only reason people end up homeless.

What bothers me is when people pitch it as a lifestyle choice, and hence see no need to try do anything about it.

 

[Nick]

What bothers me is when people pitch it as a lifestyle choice, and hence see no need to try do anything about it.

I'm not sure anybody is saying it about every homeless person, are they?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm not sure anybody is saying it about every homeless person, are they?

I’m not saying you do, but I think there has been a normalisation of homelessness generally. In a country like ours I’m not sure why it has become accepted.

 

[PVA]

Fucking hell Kemi

Returning to the key themes of her speech, Kemi Badenoch explains how she feels the UK has been left behind by the rest of the world - or is "stagnating".
She claims that 15 years ago, Polish workers would come to the UK to find work, but now Poland is growing twice as fast as Britain.

'The country has gone down the toilet in the last 15 years - vote for the party that was in charge for 14 of them to fix it!'

She's so bad.

 

[chiefdave]

I remember seeing some US studies that suggested it would be a net saving if you housed every homeless person because of what you save from all the primary and secondary costs of dealing with it.

Even if it didn’t, people being on the street doesn’t sit right with me.

That's exactly it, once you factor in the cost of public services in dealing with homeless people it works out cheaper to house them and then in the vast majority of cases they are able to successfully re-integrate into society, at least in the trials I've read about.

When people talking about immigration you often get 'what about our homeless' but we all know perfectly well if the government said today it was going to house all homeless people there would be a lot of people complaining.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's exactly it, once you factor in the cost of public services in dealing with homeless people it works out cheaper to house them and then in the vast majority of cases they are able to successfully re-integrate into society, at least in the trials I've read about.

When people talking about immigration you often get 'what about our homeless' but we all know perfectly well if the government said today it was going to house all homeless people there would be a lot of people complaining.

It would need to be carefully managed, safe but not luxurious and with a view to eventually leaving into your own accommodation. But simply getting a job is difficult anyway, without an address, clean clothes, hygiene and so on.

 

[wingy]

Fucking hell Kemi



'The country has gone down the toilet in the last 15 years - vote for the party that was in charge for 14 of them to fix it!'

She's so bad.

Hmm, that's interesting , the Brexit shaped hole, but it's ok won't be pushed round bureaucrats.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Needs a new scheme.
Adopt a human (ex prisoner)
Give them House's to convert into abode's like that big build scheme in Manchester for ex services etc ?

Exactly what many charities are doing works well

 

[fernandopartridge]

Fucking hell Kemi



'The country has gone down the toilet in the last 15 years - vote for the party that was in charge for 14 of them to fix it!'

She's so bad.

It's a good job their successors are following a broadly similar philosophy of leaving it all to the market, it'll work this time

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

One of the issues is that there are often conditions attached when providing assistance to homeless people. This can range from having to give up their dog to alcohol & drug testing. This leads to people refusing assistance or being thrown out of whatever assistance program there in.

There have been places that have trialled giving assistance without these conditions, with a lot of success and in the long term reintegrating people back into society and making a meaningful contribution. Not really caught on though as 'giving houses to drug addicts' is a hard sell politically.

Andy Street when he was first campaigning for mayor promised to end homelessness in his first hundred days, was very little mention of it once elected. There's no reason really for anyone to be on the streets, we say when we first went into lockdown that it is entirely possible to resolve the issue.

The sad thing is there are models that are evidence based that we refuse to try because they’re not politically expedient and society wants to ignore the problem until it affects them personally

 

[wingy]

The sad thing is there are models that are evidence based that we refuse to try because they’re not politically expedient and society wants to ignore the problem until it affects them personally

Pretty sure that's everyone except the master's of us!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pretty sure that's everyone except the master's of us!

You don’t see it in other areas of life, many but not all
It’s such a shame
The Netherlands have had to close some of their prison estate as their recidivism rate is so low as they agree a rehabilitation regime with prisoners that seeks to change the situation that led to their offence. Addiction or anger you know.
Oh well wtf who cares won’t ever affect us until it does and meanwhile we can blame everything on the woman and her kids from Syria

 

[Dougin]

One of the issues is that there are often conditions attached when providing assistance to homeless people. This can range from having to give up their dog to alcohol & drug testing. This leads to people refusing assistance or being thrown out of whatever assistance program there in.

There have been places that have trialled giving assistance without these conditions, with a lot of success and in the long term reintegrating people back into society and making a meaningful contribution. Not really caught on though as 'giving houses to drug addicts' is a hard sell politically.

Andy Street when he was first campaigning for mayor promised to end homelessness in his first hundred days, was very little mention of it once elected. There's no reason really for anyone to be on the streets, we say when we first went into lockdown that it is entirely possible to resolve the issue.

There is no Will from the government to help the homeless because they don’t care about them.

They are falling over themselves though to provide hundreds of rooms a day for a illlegal immigrants.

Balance out the morals on that one.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There is no Will from the government to help the homeless because they don’t care about them.

They are falling over themselves though to provide hundreds of rooms a day for a illlegal immigrants.

Balance out the morals on that one.

If this government instead decided to put all of the nation’s homeless into hotels, you really think people wouldn’t criticise it?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There is no Will from the government to help the homeless because they don’t care about them.

They are falling over themselves though to provide hundreds of rooms a day for a illlegal immigrants.

Balance out the morals on that one.

First paragraph strongly agree
Second paragraph come on
Third one there are no morals it’s all anarchy and people deciding how they want to live

You can get your bottom dollar the same people blaming everything on immigration are the same people who believe in low taxation and no investment into social care expecting the market to right every wrong

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If this government instead decided to put all of the nation’s homeless into hotels, you really think people wouldn’t criticise it?

They did Manchester in December that’s exactly what they did and tried to move people on and there was some outcry why should they receive help and not Billy who’s never been in trouble

 

[wingy]

They did Manchester in December that’s exactly what they did and tried to move people on and there was some outcry why should they receive help and not Billy who’s never been in trouble

Garry Neville was behind some of it.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Bank of England warns of growing risk that AI bubble could burst

Possibility of ‘sharp market correction has increased’, says Bank’s financial policy committee

www.theguardian.com

Who'd have thought it? Certainly not this genius....

Keir Starmer says technology can create a ‘better future’ as he addresses AI fears

Prime minister announces funding to boost UK’s artificial intelligence infrastructure in speech at London Tech Week

www.theguardian.com

 

[wingy]

I'm in the long hand world and proud of it,fuch the rest!

 

[rob9872]

For all those of you are saying homelessness can't be resolved and we have no solution, ask yourself how many were homeless during Covid?

None. Why? Because they put them up into hotels etc to keep them off the streets. It was most likely a pre-cursor to the idea of now using them as migrant hotels. Whatever your views on migrants or the homeless, surely we should look after the people that are here already by reverting to that method again and help them be monitored and get a foot back into society, before filling them up with the political migrants. Were they just released back onto the streets post-covid? If so, is that what happens with the migrants? I suspect it isn't otherwise we'd encounter larger numbers of those in the homeless population.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

For all those of you are saying homelessness can't be resolved and we have no solution, ask yourself how many were homeless during Covid?

None. Why? Because they put them up into hotels etc to keep them off the streets. It was most likely a pre-cursor to the idea of now using them as migrant hotels. Whatever your views on migrants or the homeless, surely we should look after the people that are here already by reverting to that method again and help them be monitored and get a foot back into society, before filling them up with the political migrants. Were they just released back onto the streets post-covid? If so, is that what happens with the migrants? I suspect it isn't otherwise we'd encounter larger numbers of those in the homeless population.

The hotels are for asylum seekers, so they will only be released once their claim has been settled either way.

Hotels in general shouldn’t be used as holding pens for anyone in my view, but separate issue. I’d rather homeless people be offered a room in one versus staying on the street.

 

[rob9872]

The hotels are for asylum seekers, so they will only be released once their claim has been settled either way.

Hotels in general shouldn’t be used as holding pens for anyone in my view, but separate issue. I’d rather homeless people be offered a room in one versus staying on the street.

Released to where though is the question? Obviously denied means out of the country (or should), but where do the accepted ones go? I assume they're not released onto the streets and if they're not, then my secondary question, was is that same route available for the homeless because I have suspicions that it isn't (but no facts to base those upon).

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Released to where though is the question? Obviously denied means out of the country (or should), but where do the accepted ones go? I assume they're not released onto the streets and if they're not, then my secondary question, was is that same route available for the homeless because I have suspicions that it isn't (but no facts to base those upon).

There’s really great charities supporting the homeless but if you’re violent or drunk you’re pretty much on your own

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Released to where though is the question? Obviously denied means out of the country (or should), but where do the accepted ones go? I assume they're not released onto the streets and if they're not, then my secondary question, was is that same route available for the homeless because I have suspicions that it isn't (but no facts to base those upon).

I know of a few Ukrainians who got housed with families willing to host them, but I think that was part of a scheme specific to them. I assume the others are granted housing somewhere else?

 

[rob9872]

There’s really great charities supporting the homeless but if you’re violent or drunk you’re pretty much on your own

But that's a cycle and often are homeless as a result of alcoholism or in some cases drinking because of it when their marriage breaks down etc, previously upstanding citizens. They if anything need the help the most and more likely to turn things around and make a better go of it.

 

[rob9872]

I know of a few Ukrainians who got housed with families willing to host them, but I think that was part of a scheme specific to them. I assume the others are granted housing somewhere else?

That's my assumption, so if there are houses available for them, then they should be available to the homeless too.

 

[Grendel]

If this government instead decided to put all of the nation’s homeless into hotels, you really think people wouldn’t criticise it?

Many would wreck them anyway as the confinement would prove difficult

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's my assumption, so if there are houses available for them, then they should be available to the homeless too.

No argument there

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Many would wreck them anyway as the confinement would prove difficult

I mean clearly the ideal situation would be that nobody becomes homeless in the first place.

 

[rob9872]

Many would wreck them anyway as the confinement would prove difficult

Did they before in Covid times? Is it any different to those in them now?

Genuine question btw as I really don't know.

 

[Grendel]

I mean clearly the ideal situation would be that nobody becomes homeless in the first place.

Some people do choose it as they don’t or can’t cope with responsibility