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chiefdave
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One of the issues is that there are often conditions attached when providing assistance to homeless people. This can range from having to give up their dog to alcohol & drug testing. This leads to people refusing assistance or being thrown out of whatever assistance program there in.
There have been places that have trialled giving assistance without these conditions, with a lot of success and in the long term reintegrating people back into society and making a meaningful contribution. Not really caught on though as 'giving houses to drug addicts' is a hard sell politically.
Andy Street when he was first campaigning for mayor promised to end homelessness in his first hundred days, was very little mention of it once elected. There's no reason really for anyone to be on the streets, we say when we first went into lockdown that it is entirely possible to resolve the issue.
There have been places that have trialled giving assistance without these conditions, with a lot of success and in the long term reintegrating people back into society and making a meaningful contribution. Not really caught on though as 'giving houses to drug addicts' is a hard sell politically.
Andy Street when he was first campaigning for mayor promised to end homelessness in his first hundred days, was very little mention of it once elected. There's no reason really for anyone to be on the streets, we say when we first went into lockdown that it is entirely possible to resolve the issue.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I remember seeing some US studies that suggested it would be a net saving if you housed every homeless person because of what you save from all the primary and secondary costs of dealing with it.
Even if it didn’t, people being on the street doesn’t sit right with me.
duffer
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So homeless because he was an addict in this case. Presumably not because he really wanted to live on the streets.
That's not exactly an unusual story, a friend's son went through something very similar. It's also far from the only reason people end up homeless.
What bothers me is when people pitch it as a lifestyle choice, and hence see no need to try do anything about it.
Nick
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I'm not sure anybody is saying it about every homeless person, are they?
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m not saying you do, but I think there has been a normalisation of homelessness generally. In a country like ours I’m not sure why it has become accepted.
chiefdave
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That's exactly it, once you factor in the cost of public services in dealing with homeless people it works out cheaper to house them and then in the vast majority of cases they are able to successfully re-integrate into society, at least in the trials I've read about.
When people talking about immigration you often get 'what about our homeless' but we all know perfectly well if the government said today it was going to house all homeless people there would be a lot of people complaining.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It would need to be carefully managed, safe but not luxurious and with a view to eventually leaving into your own accommodation. But simply getting a job is difficult anyway, without an address, clean clothes, hygiene and so on.
Sky Blue Pete
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Exactly what many charities are doing works well
fernandopartridge
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It's a good job their successors are following a broadly similar philosophy of leaving it all to the market, it'll work this timeFucking hell Kemi
'The country has gone down the toilet in the last 15 years - vote for the party that was in charge for 14 of them to fix it!'
She's so bad.
Sky Blue Pete
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The sad thing is there are models that are evidence based that we refuse to try because they’re not politically expedient and society wants to ignore the problem until it affects them personally
Pretty sure that's everyone except the master's of us!
Sky Blue Pete
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You don’t see it in other areas of life, many but not all
It’s such a shame
The Netherlands have had to close some of their prison estate as their recidivism rate is so low as they agree a rehabilitation regime with prisoners that seeks to change the situation that led to their offence. Addiction or anger you know.
Oh well wtf who cares won’t ever affect us until it does and meanwhile we can blame everything on the woman and her kids from Syria
There is no Will from the government to help the homeless because they don’t care about them.
They are falling over themselves though to provide hundreds of rooms a day for a illlegal immigrants.
Balance out the morals on that one.
Brighton Sky Blue
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If this government instead decided to put all of the nation’s homeless into hotels, you really think people wouldn’t criticise it?
Sky Blue Pete
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First paragraph strongly agree
Second paragraph come on
Third one there are no morals it’s all anarchy and people deciding how they want to live
You can get your bottom dollar the same people blaming everything on immigration are the same people who believe in low taxation and no investment into social care expecting the market to right every wrong
Sky Blue Pete
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They did Manchester in December that’s exactly what they did and tried to move people on and there was some outcry why should they receive help and not Billy who’s never been in trouble
Garry Neville was behind some of it.
fernandopartridge
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rob9872
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For all those of you are saying homelessness can't be resolved and we have no solution, ask yourself how many were homeless during Covid?
None. Why? Because they put them up into hotels etc to keep them off the streets. It was most likely a pre-cursor to the idea of now using them as migrant hotels. Whatever your views on migrants or the homeless, surely we should look after the people that are here already by reverting to that method again and help them be monitored and get a foot back into society, before filling them up with the political migrants. Were they just released back onto the streets post-covid? If so, is that what happens with the migrants? I suspect it isn't otherwise we'd encounter larger numbers of those in the homeless population.
None. Why? Because they put them up into hotels etc to keep them off the streets. It was most likely a pre-cursor to the idea of now using them as migrant hotels. Whatever your views on migrants or the homeless, surely we should look after the people that are here already by reverting to that method again and help them be monitored and get a foot back into society, before filling them up with the political migrants. Were they just released back onto the streets post-covid? If so, is that what happens with the migrants? I suspect it isn't otherwise we'd encounter larger numbers of those in the homeless population.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The hotels are for asylum seekers, so they will only be released once their claim has been settled either way.
Hotels in general shouldn’t be used as holding pens for anyone in my view, but separate issue. I’d rather homeless people be offered a room in one versus staying on the street.