Do you want to discuss boring politics? (41 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Got to be honest “people can’t access Twitter” really isn’t working as a bad point

For some reason I’m getting the alerts today in the Netherlands. Not sure if it’s cos I’m on a UK mobile data contract. All been fairly painless but I’m not a Twitter user and do look clearly like an adult.

If you’re using your UK phone data in NL, you’ll look like you’re in the UK still.

 

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[shmmeee]

If you’re using your UK phone data in NL, you’ll look like you’re in the UK still.

Must have just not used it until today cos I didn’t get it yesterday. Have done Reddit and Bluesky with the facial verification and I think (assuming the do actually follow their privacy policy) it’s a reasonable compromise for this. No stored data. Not perfect for younger people, and no idea how accurate/foolable but a reasonable first stab at what a privacy aware age gate can look like.

 

[tisza]

My lad saying it’s censoring things the government doesn’t want you to see

It's where the lines are drawn and who draws them that's important. Where's the safety net against govt censorship that already occurs in the likes of China & Russia?

 

[shmmeee]

It's where the lines are drawn and who draws them that's important. Where's the safety net against govt censorship that already occurs in the likes of China & Russia?

Currently they’re drawn by the US govt. I’d rather it was ours.

 

[tisza]

Currently they’re drawn by the US govt. I’d rather it was ours.

That's the thing - is Tiktok (for example) really that much better off under US control than Chinese? US media companies just as likely to be pushing propaganda/bias (either left or right). Again i'd rather it wasn't govt control at all but some sort of broad based non-politcal authority (if such a thing is possible in this day and age).

 

[wingy]

That's the thing - is Tiktok (for example) really that much better off under US control than Chinese? US media companies just as likely to be pushing propaganda/bias (either left or right). Again i'd rather it wasn't govt control at all but some sort of broad based non-politcal authority (if such a thing is possible in this day and age).

But they'd be nobled straight off don't you think?

 

[shmmeee]

That's the thing - is Tiktok (for example) really that much better off under US control than Chinese? US media companies just as likely to be pushing propaganda/bias (either left or right). Again i'd rather it wasn't govt control at all but some sort of broad based non-politcal authority (if such a thing is possible in this day and age).

i think we’ve see no control means unregulated control by big money and foreign interests.

 

[chiefdave]

This is interesting. The replies to people who have posted this on socials are insane, ranging from ‘show me the data’ which is clearly sourced in the article to outright denial because ‘it’s in The Guardian’.

You might hope that people rioting under the banner of concern for women’s safety, or supporting the rioters cause, would be concerned about this but apparently not.

Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse

Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse

www.theguardian.com

 

[rob9872]

This is interesting. The replies to people who have posted this on socials are insane, ranging from ‘show me the data’ which is clearly sourced in the article to outright denial because ‘it’s in The Guardian’.

You might hope that people rioting under the banner of concern for women’s safety, or supporting the rioters cause, would be concerned about this but apparently not.

Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse

Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse

www.theguardian.com

That's not really a surprise. Most of us who are a bit right leaning like me, sit behind our laptops or phones shaking our head and tutting a bit. It's a special kind of c**t that actively goes out to start a war with the people in the hotels or against the authorities. Sympathy for a few passers by who got caught up in the moment having been fed propaganda, but I'm not really shocked to see those having a go at the police are already in the criminal network.

 

[tisza]

This is interesting. The replies to people who have posted this on socials are insane, ranging from ‘show me the data’ which is clearly sourced in the article to outright denial because ‘it’s in The Guardian’.

You might hope that people rioting under the banner of concern for women’s safety, or supporting the rioters cause, would be concerned about this but apparently not.

Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse

Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse

www.theguardian.com

Should have asked how many were charged and how many convicted of domestic abuse etc. Bet that figure is even more damning of the problem.

 

[chiefdave]

That's not really a surprise. Most of us who are a bit right leaning like me, sit behind our laptops or phones shaking our head and tutting a bit. It's a special kind of c**t that actively goes out to start a war with the people in the hotels or against the authorities. Sympathy for a few passers by who got caught up in the moment having been fed propaganda, but I'm not really shocked to see those having a go at the police are already in the criminal network.

Guess not. Something slightly bizzare about them accusing anyone who protests their actions as being bussed in paid protesters while they present themselves as concerned locals but are actually known criminals who have travelled to cause trouble.

Makes sense I suppose when you look at that football alliance or whatever they're called. Essentially hooligans who can't find anyone to fight at games anymore.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Its starting! The government are hiring for a sharia law consultant. Its not long before they impose it here.

 

[rob9872]

Its starting! The government are hiring for a sharia law consultant. Its not long before they impose it here.

I'll apply, will keep you posted

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I'll apply, will keep you posted

Its only £23.5k mate wouldnt waste your time.

 

[shmmeee]

Jesus

Man carrying home his gardening tools arrested by armed police in Manchester

Samuel Rowe, who was returning from allotment, seeking to overturn caution for possession of offensive weapon

www.theguardian.com

 

[chiefdave]

Its starting! The government are hiring for a sharia law consultant. Its not long before they impose it here.

Even by twitter standards the number of people who fell for this is astonishing

 

[shmmeee]

Its only £23.5k mate wouldnt waste your time.

Isn’t that less than NMW?

 

[PVA]

Even by twitter standards the number of people who fell for this is astonishing

Including Farage, Tice and Jenrick amongst others.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Even by twitter standards the number of people who fell for this is astonishing

What even is it?

It isn't really that hard to believe unless you've been living under a rock.

 

[chiefdave]

What even is it?

It isn't really that hard to believe unless you've been living under a rock.

It's a job listing on the job centre website for a role at a privately owned muslim community centre.

It's a faith based mediator for family disputes, divorces etc same as there are ecclesiastical courts, beth dins, rehit maryada etc (although I'm not sure if rehit maryada has formal rulings)

But because the job centre website is a .gov site its been decided its clearly a public sector role working for Manchester Council and paid for by the taxpayers.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It's a job listing on the job centre website for a role at a privately owned muslim community centre.

It's a faith based mediator for family disputes, divorces etc same as there are ecclesiastical courts, beth dins, rehit maryada etc (although I'm not sure if rehit maryada has formal rulings)

But because the job centre website is a .gov site its been decided its clearly a public sector role working for Manchester Council and paid for by the taxpayers.

Ok thanks for the explanation. I have to say though, I don't think this is quite the gotcha you are making it out to be, to be honest. The fact these things exist in the UK is quite disturbing.

 

[Marty]

Jesus

Man carrying home his gardening tools arrested by armed police in Manchester

Samuel Rowe, who was returning from allotment, seeking to overturn caution for possession of offensive weapon

www.theguardian.com

Imagine having to explain what an allotment is.

 

[mmttww]

Reform: we want to spend £150k p/a for advisors to prop up our 18 y/o injury sub in Warks, cool?

Reform: someone's listed a £23.5k p/a admin job on the gov.uk domain. England's done! Wokerati!

 

[Ian1779]

Its starting! The government are hiring for a sharia law consultant. Its not long before they impose it here.

I’ve got some magic beans to sell you as well.
You wouldn’t believe what happens once you plant them.

 

[chiefdave]

Ok thanks for the explanation. I have to say though, I don't think this is quite the gotcha you are making it out to be, to be honest. The fact these things exist in the UK is quite disturbing.

They've existed in the UK for what, 40 or 50 years? Why are they an issue now, they have zero legal powers.

Is it just sharia mediators that are disturbing or are you putting mediators of other religions under that banner as well?

 

[Sick Boy]

Jesus

Man carrying home his gardening tools arrested by armed police in Manchester

Samuel Rowe, who was returning from allotment, seeking to overturn caution for possession of offensive weapon

www.theguardian.com

Fuck accepting a caution for that; I doubt it’d even made it to court.

 

[shmmeee]

Fuck accepting a caution for that; I doubt it’d even made it to court.

Guy just seemed to be too middle class and British and trusting that the police would do the right thing. It wouldn’t kill them to go “whoops fucked up here” same as a few of the Palestine placards. Not sure what they gain from giving it the PGMOL

 

[shmmeee]

Imagine having to explain what an allotment is.

Let’s be honest we’ve all come across that copper.

 

[shmmeee]

Ok thanks for the explanation. I have to say though, I don't think this is quite the gotcha you are making it out to be, to be honest. The fact these things exist in the UK is quite disturbing.

Would you like to stop any religious guidance or just the Muslim ones? I believe Jews have similar. And it’s in the same realm as psychic hotlines and stuff. I have a guy I ask about Warhammer rules when I’m confused.

As long as they’re not encouraging breaking UK law then I don’t see the issue.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

They've existed in the UK for what, 40 or 50 years? Why are they an issue now, they have zero legal powers.

Is it just sharia mediators that are disturbing or are you putting mediators of other religions under that banner as well?

Would you like to stop any religious guidance or just the Muslim ones? I believe Jews have similar. And it’s in the same realm as psychic hotlines and stuff. I have a guy I ask about Warhammer rules when I’m confused.

As long as they’re not encouraging breaking UK law then I don’t see the issue.

There's been a recorded 40,000 victims of FGM in the UK now. That's supposed to be an illegal practice and have no standing in the UK either. Some of you are hopelessly naive when it comes to Islam, and as soon as it gets mentioned flip straight on to other religions.

I mean, if we are comparing Sharia courts to Warhammer rules and psychic hotlines then there really is no hope anyway.

 

[shmmeee]

There's been a recorded 40,000 victims of FGM in the UK now. That's supposed to be an illegal practice and have no standing in the UK either. Some of you are hopelessly naive when it comes to Islam, and as soon as it gets mentioned flip straight on to other religions.

I mean, if we are comparing Sharia courts to Warhammer rules and psychic hotlines then there really is no hope anyway.

Is there evidence Sharia Courts are routinely recommending FGM?

Yeah I’m saying it’s a bunch of people asking for advice on made up rules. It’s the same thing. If my warhammer guy was recommending I decapitate my opponent then I think the police would have grounds to be concerned. That’s the difference. Is that happening? I’ve not seen any cases but I’m not looking.

 

[Nuskyblue]

Let’s be honest we’ve all come across that copper.

I hope you apologised.

God help you if you had a Palestinian flag in your " natures pocket "

 

[shmmeee]

I hope you apologised.

God help you if you had a Palestinian flag in your " natures pocket "

It’s alright it was this guy

 

[SBT]

Is there evidence Sharia Courts are routinely recommending FGM?

I thought it was banned according to sharia law, but I’m sure we’re about to find out the truth.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Is there evidence Sharia Courts are routinely recommending FGM?

Yeah I’m saying it’s a bunch of people asking for advice on made up rules. It’s the same thing. If my warhammer guy was recommending I decapitate my opponent then I think the police would have grounds to be concerned. That’s the difference. Is that happening? I’ve not seen any cases but I’m not looking.

I've got no idea what goes on in there, and I don't think anyone does. If I humour your comment, I guess the point is that no one in the UK thinks Warhammer rules trump those of British law. You can't say the same for Islam and Sharia law, and some of the barbaric practices within the religion. Islam comes first, and whatever is qualified within that, be right or wrong.

I get the joke about Farage and his band of fanatics getting the wrong end of the stick very often, the same way that there are always jokes about a serious topic like this, because it is hard for some people to talk about these things without shitting themselves. I strongly stand by the concept that these courts, legally binding or not, have absolutely zero honest space in a functioning British society. Neither does FGM of course.