rob9872
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Laughed so hard at this, I fear I may have soiled myself.
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RegTheDonk
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Could have been dealt with better at the nick, but he's walking the streets with knives on his belt so can't complain when armed cops turn up. If he's sensible enough to have an allotment, he's surely sensible enough to put his tools in a holdall and carry them out of sight.
chiefdave
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I don't think anyone has much problem with the general concept of making the internet safer for kids.
The problem is the implementation is a fucking disaster.
In the first 24 hours we had a government petition with over 300K signatures, MPs complaining their posts on social media are now not being seen by anyone, news reports which were said to be exempt being censored, major companies such as twitter having no facility to age verify without paying them, little clarity on where the data is ending up or what is being done with it as its all down to overseas third party companies, sites that have just completely blocked access from the UK because the costs of implementing this isn't worthwhile, rape and domestic violence support services being blocked, addiction services blocked and probably loads more I've missed.
Also in the first 24 hours we had this system in place a fairly high profile site in the US that had similar age verification requirements saw everyone's photo ID made publicly available to the point you could look people up on a google map and see their ID.
Now we've got the people who campaigned for it demanding more is done because it doesn't go far enough and is easy for kids to bypass, talk of parts of wiki being taken offline and the government talking about banning VPNs, which would bring tech companies in the UK to their knees.
Sick Boy
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Banning VPNs would actually be insane.
Guess the tech should have got their shit together really,all we've had is a cesspit of diatribe and a diet of division.
TomRad85
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Just the UK having another totally normal one. Does a politician exist on the whole island who isn't a complete and utter useless c**t? Honestly I swear no one wants to get elected. The next election will be won by the one person that actually still has the will to leave the house and vote for any of these total wankers.
shmmeee
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The British public love banning shit man. This policy has consistently had majority public support even though people don’t think it’ll work.
Also, have you met Labour?
End social media anonymity, says Britain’s most trolled MP
Diane Abbott says the problem is not defining abuse but tracking down perpetrators.
www.politico.eu
chiefdave
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What is very very obvious from the response this weekend is people had zero clue what implementing this actually meant. Virtually nobody looked past 'won't someone think of the children'. What answer are you expecting people to give if you ask them if you want to protect or harm kids?
But you know what the British public love more than banning shit? Porn.
Don't care how many focus groups they had or how many polls they conducted if they think stopping grown adults watching porn is a vote winner they are insane.
shmmeee
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Who is stopping you watching porn? Most people will see it no differently to an ID check in an off licence.
I was sat with four normie Brits when they found out about this and their main reaction was excitement at whether they’d look young enough to need a full ID check.
Also, on loving to ban stuff:
chiefdave
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Wonder if they will feel the same when their ID and what they've been watching gets inevitably leaked.
There's people who should know better far too confident in the security and anonymity promised by random overseas age verification companies that have sprung up from nowhere.
shmmeee
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Why would it though?
All that’s needed is a tokenisation of the ID and then a check against a central DB that exists anyway. The idea there’s some customer DB say there with [email protected] and a list of all your fetishes seems ridiculously outlandish. The two I’ve used so far delete any data once the age is confirmed and you only enter your email if you want to use the same ID token elsewhere. Otherwise there’s no trace other than a flag being set on my Reddit acct that says I’m verified.
“It might get hacked” applies to literally every online service and places like Tesco store far more info and far more sensitive info and have much worse security.
I’ve been part of this kind of backlash before and it’s true that anyone with technical chops can get around it. But that still covers a huge portion of the population and I think most millennials don’t realise exactly how poor your average Gen Z and below’s IT skills are. We are doomed to be the tech support for our parents and our kids.
But I come at it from here: do we need to be able to start regulating the internet? I find it very hard after the last decade to say no. And that starts with simple things like “am I letting a five year old access midget fisting porn?” Hopefully it will also get to “can we stop the downfall of liberal democracy thanks to bad actors hacking the human psyche via an unregulated hosepipe into every citizen on the planet?”
The OSA is the first step at trying stuff that frankly I think will be absolutely vital in the coming years in terms of stemming the fire hose of psyops and idiocy.
chiefdave
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Are there verification systems that would work like you describe, of course there are. But there's absolutely no requirement for them to operate like that.
You're talking about an ideal world where every dodgy website in the world suddenly decides to behave impeccably. The reality is after decades of training users to not hand over personal details we've now got the government advising if you don't want censored internet hand over a scan of your passport or driving license to anyone who asks for it. There's little chance that ends well.
You know how else you stop a five year old accessing midget fisting porn? Parenting. Its insanity to think that giving people like Musk more power to censor what people do and don't see is going to improve the balance and reliability of content you see.
shmmeee
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What makes porn different from any other e-commerce though?
The backlash from this is mostly from Musk, because it provides routes to stop his firehose of nonsense. Same as he’s been ranting about Brazil. So yeah actually I think a law that says platforms of a given size have to start having something close to what TV stations and newspapers have had for ages is a good idea.
The tech industry is built on libertarian roots and likes to pretend any tech limitations are totally unworkable at first. But there’s nothing here that inherently implies a privacy problem other than as you say people breaking the law, which applies anywhere.
Sick Boy
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Five survivors of Rotherham grooming gangs say they were also raped by police officers
Three former South Yorkshire police officers arrested in investigation into claims by the women, as young as 12 at the time
Absolutely sickening if true.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Five survivors of Rotherham grooming gangs say they were also raped by police officers
Three former South Yorkshire police officers arrested in investigation into claims by the women, as young as 12 at the timewww.theguardian.com
Absolutely sickening if true.
It's absolutely heartbreaking.
I saw somewhere that one of the officers who was under investigation was ran over and killed in pretty dodgy circumstances as well.
I hope this coming out can give the victims some peace.
Marty
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Five survivors of Rotherham grooming gangs say they were also raped by police officers
Three former South Yorkshire police officers arrested in investigation into claims by the women, as young as 12 at the time
Absolutely sickening if true.
Anyone involved at any level needs dumping in the middle of the Atlantic, dirty fucking cunts.