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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (21 Viewers)

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shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,516
SBT said:
I agree with you there, but it’s one thing to attract millions more people to cramp together in New York, the cultural and financial capital of the planet. Persuading them to move to a windowless studio in Milton Keynes may be a tougher pitch…
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Haha true. But we need housing around there and we need lab space. It’s obviously not going to be one place but the main point is yes we can handle more people because there’s lots of places with room to grow. And the idea that them doing that means we pave over the entire countryside is a nonsense.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,517
Grendel said:
You have a financial interest in land acquisition don’t you?
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No
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,518
SBT said:
You assume wrong - I just mean that Manhattan’s population density is deeply unusual for a major western city, and is the product of urban planning, economic and cultural factors that can’t be replicated in central London, which is thousands of years old. And having lived in both places, central London is a much more pleasant place to live. I’m not being a NIMBY saying that - let a thousand blossoms bloom etc - but we’re not about to turn Westminster into the Lower East Side and we shouldn’t pretend we can either.
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I don't think it's possible to say London's underpopulated, think schmmeee's data samples are lacking something, not sure what, no disrespect intended there.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,519
wingy said:
I don't think it's possible to say London's underpopulated, think schmmeee's data samples are lacking something, not sure what, no disrespect intended there.
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They do assume the alernative is better. I'd rather live in Birmingham than Singapore!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,520
Deleted member 5849 said:
They do assume the alernative is better. I'd rather live in Birmingham than Singapore!
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But we’ve just established you hate cities!

Id rather live in Singapore than the Outer Hebrides. It takes all sorts!
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,521
wingy said:
I don't think it's possible to say London's underpopulated, think schmmeee's data samples are lacking something, not sure what, no disrespect intended there.
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None taken it’s all forum bollocks. It’s mostly about adding a couple of stories here and there and building high rise where it’s appropriate. The only high rise that gets build in London is in the City pretty much
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,522
Random pin drop in London. Are you telling me making these buildings another 2-3 stories would be the end of the world?



It’s literally the same height as my mates house on the old Marconi site!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,523
shmmeee said:
But we’ve just established you hate cities!
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We haven't, we've established I hate the type of city you want to turn Birmingham into!
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,524
Deleted member 5849 said:
We haven't, we've established I hate the type of city you want to turn Birmingham into!
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What is your actual issue?
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,525
shmmeee said:
What is your actual issue?
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Well for a start the infrastructure to support the like, I mean the red wall and all that?
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,526
shmmeee said:
It’s not just about culture. It’s about the number of people that are likely to emigrate. Most Kuwaitis and Arabs emigrant between the countries, not to the UK. If we opened up to Ukraine we’d have the same issues we had in the early 2000s.
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Well you were the one who said your concern was culture! But it sounds like your concerns are more socio-economic?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,527
SBT said:
Well you were the one who said your concern was culture! But it sounds like your concerns are more socio-economic?
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It’s about the same. But you’re conflating two things here.

1) Which countries would you have open borders with? I’d choose ones of a similar economic status as that means large amounts of poorly educated people are unlikely to want to move here and reduce living standards and rely on community support, harming integration.

2) Rate of immigration making integration into our culture hard and needing to somehow manage that.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,528
wingy said:
Well for a start the infrastructure to support the like, I mean the red wall and all that?
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We get the infrastructure we pay for.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,529
shmmeee said:
It’s about the same. But you’re conflating two things here.

1) Which countries would you have open borders with? I’d choose ones of a similar economic status as that means large amounts of poorly educated people are unlikely to want to move here and reduce living standards and rely on community support, harming integration.

2) Rate of immigration making integration into our culture hard and needing to somehow manage that.
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That’s quite a value judgment there! Does someone requiring community support mean they don’t/can’t integrate into that new community?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,530
shmmeee said:
Our population per square km is 277 according to wiki. Netherlands: 424, South Korea: 516, Singapore: 8,250.

Loads of room to grow
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1.3% of the land used for residential in England, 56m people

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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,531
fernandopartridge said:
1.3% of the land used for residential in England, 56m people

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What happened to that total, sure we were looking at signifantly more about 10 yrs back or am I just overloaded on stats.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
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Oh that's just England?
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,533
So add 10m or so for the union?
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,534
But what's the deduction of buildable from the mass?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,535
Not all buildings are residential, plus there’s roads, car parks, etc. Hence the difference between 1.5% resi and just under 10% built. Plus 4% resi gardens.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,536
National Parks etc,unfit for building etc.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,537
SBT said:
That’s quite a value judgment there! Does someone requiring community support mean they don’t/can’t integrate into that new community?
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Should have been clearer. Poor immigrants are more likely to cluster for a variety of reasons: the community they need support from is their fellow ex pats. Means less likely to learn the language. Less likely to learn unwritten rules and customs.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,538
wingy said:
National Parks etc,unfit for building etc.
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But equally whacking great flat car parks near stations could be ten stories higher.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,539
shmmeee said:
But equally whacking great flat car parks near stations could be ten stories higher.
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Can't do it cos of electric cars?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,540
wingy said:
Can't do it cos of electric cars?
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You’ve lost me there lol
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,541
Burn down!
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,542
I.N.A.D.E.Q.U.A.T.E - Ruth Perry’s despair in handwritten notes

A heartbreaking story - time to abolish OFSTED and replace with a new system that see HMI’s assigned to schools to drive improvement through collaboration, not narrow minded inspection protocol….
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,543
wingy said:
A style of presentation we're getting used to.
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Just found another one projecting into the future a little, don't know what the futures looking at but I suppose I should relax.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,544
Ian1779 said:
I.N.A.D.E.Q.U.A.T.E - Ruth Perry’s despair in handwritten notes

A heartbreaking story - time to abolish OFSTED and replace with a new system that see HMI’s assigned to schools to drive improvement through collaboration, not narrow minded inspection protocol….
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100% no evidence their ratings mean anything or they have any impact on schools beyond surface level.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,545
SBT said:
I’m just trying to understand why countries with high GDP per capita - a table typically topped by Middle East petrostates and gambling dens - are considered to be more culturally similar to us than, say, much poorer Commonwealth states who have used our language and legal system for more than a century.
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Or the Europeans who we've moved away from.
We love our cars and don't have the same resources as the Americans, reckon we'll get that deal soon. Guess it depends on how you like your politics, I mean the eastern Europeans I interacted with are certainly to the right,south Asians probably similar on things like membership of the EU?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,546
Ian1779 said:
I.N.A.D.E.Q.U.A.T.E - Ruth Perry’s despair in handwritten notes

A heartbreaking story - time to abolish OFSTED and replace with a new system that see HMI’s assigned to schools to drive improvement through collaboration, not narrow minded inspection protocol….
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Those inspectors should be charged with manslaughter. The callousness in that Ofsted statement. Pure evil.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,547
shmmeee said:
Those inspectors should be charged with manslaughter. The callousness in that Ofsted statement. Pure evil.
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I’m the article?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,548
Ian1779 said:
I.N.A.D.E.Q.U.A.T.E - Ruth Perry’s despair in handwritten notes

A heartbreaking story - time to abolish OFSTED and replace with a new system that see HMI’s assigned to schools to drive improvement through collaboration, not narrow minded inspection protocol….
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Such a sad story. I think Ofsted grading should be abolished. Similar to the CQC it came from the idea that people using services are liable to behave like consumers. Waste of money which would be better spent elsewhere.

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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,549
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m the article?
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The one from Amanda Spelman shows little introspection.

It feels like Ofsted doesn't actually know what the purpose of inspections is supposed to be, it seems like they are for their own sake.

The local comprehensive here just had its first >3 grade for 20 years, if that doesn't show that inspections and grading is a poor way to raise standards I don't know what does.

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #32,550
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m the article?
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Well putting in a footnote that the Head took her life so there was ‘new leadership’ is a pretty cold way to sidestep that being a bunch of petty jobsworths led someone to commit suicide. Of course nobody at Ofsted is going to lose their job over it in the way this Head might have done.
 
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