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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (10 Viewers)

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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 25, 2023
  • #28,596
skybluetony176 said:
TBF Corbyn pledged to scrap the planned ICS scheme at the last GE. Now I think he lost the last GE on brexit, you don’t. On that basis you probably need to rethink your approach to ICS’s as it’s clearly not a vote winner to scrap it. Part of the reason that the NHS is struggling is because it can’t discharge patients back into the community because the care isn’t available in the community. Obviously this needs addressing. On that basis on the surface of it an ICS is an obvious solution. How you go about it is the crux of the problem. I don’t trust the Tories to deliver it as I’m sure you don’t either, Labour are not yet clear on their solution but throwing the baby out with the bath water probably isn’t going to be the best starting point. I would wait until you hear what they have to say about it would be my first peace of advice. My second piece of advice would be to judge it against what the Tories are doing already and pledging to do at the next GE. There’s zero point of judging against what Corbyn would have done, that ship has sailed. You need to be comparing eggs with eggs.
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Who said anything about Corbyn? Why are you people obsessed with Corbyn? He's gone. Left wing politics are not exclusive to him.

The ICS concept does nothing whatsoever to support social care, not a thing. There is no automatic pooling of budgets between NHS and social care and in any case if there is simply insufficient money the issues cannot be solved.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 25, 2023
  • #28,597
fernandopartridge said:
Who said anything about Corbyn? Why are you people obsessed with Corbyn? He's gone. Left wing politics are not exclusive to him.

The ICS concept does nothing whatsoever to support social care, not a thing. There is no automatic pooling of budgets between NHS and social care and in any case if there is simply insufficient money the issues cannot be solved.
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Again, Labour are proposing reintroducing the additional tax rate cut by the Tories to help pay for improvements to the NHS and pay for social care including doubling the number of district nurses and adding 5000 healthcare visitors. You can’t deny that that isn’t going to part of a better funded ICS. Obviously there’s more details that need to come out but they’re already pledging to do some of the things you’re expecting them to pledge to do.
 

fatso

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  • Apr 25, 2023
  • #28,598
And in other news!
 

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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 25, 2023
  • #28,599
Great thread by the BBC economics correspondent. Shame this is only in Twitter and not on every single news show.

 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 25, 2023
  • #28,600
fernandopartridge said:
Great thread by the BBC economics correspondent. Shame this is only in Twitter and not on every single news show.

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Excellent thread.
 

stupot07

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  • Apr 26, 2023
  • #28,601
This is Disgraceful by the Tories


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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 26, 2023
  • #28,602
fernandopartridge said:
Great thread by the BBC economics correspondent. Shame this is only in Twitter and not on every single news show.

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I remember similar thinking in "The Deficit Myth" by Stephanie Kelton. Ive not managed to read all of it but what ive done so far has been pretty interesting (the bits i understood anyway).
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 26, 2023
  • #28,603
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
I remember similar thinking in "The Deficit Myth" by Stephanie Kelton. Ive not managed to read all of it but what ive done so far has been pretty interesting (the bits i understood anyway).
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Yeah I've mentioned that book before, I actually saw the thread because Stephanie Kelton had retweeted it.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 26, 2023
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stupot07

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  • Apr 26, 2023
  • #28,605
What a cnut


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clint van damme

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  • Apr 26, 2023
  • #28,606
stupot07 said:
What a cnut


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What a fucking arsehole Anderson is.
A think c**t who thinks he's clever.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 26, 2023
  • #28,607
clint van damme said:
What a fucking arsehole Anderson is.
A think c**t who thinks he's clever.
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He's a straight up fascist c**t
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,608
I've no sympathy with the government in this matter at all but this is piss poor from the RCN

Nurses to cut short strike as court rules second day of action unlawful

Ruling prompts RCN leader Pat Cullen to condemn government for ‘taking its own nurses to court’
www.theguardian.com
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,609
Now this is the kind of New Labour I can get behind:

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,610
stupot07 said:
What a cnut


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Wow
I’d trust the police lead to know the law
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,611
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wow
I’d trust the police lead to know the law
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Even the woke police Pete!!??!?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,612
shmmeee said:
Even the woke police Pete!!??!?
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The Met is all the evidence you need that the woke police are needed. People like Lee Anderson are more interested in turning the clock back to a time when domestic violence wasn’t considered a crime, misogyny was acceptable and there’s nothing wrong with a bit of “casual” racism. The reason the Met (and other police forces) are in such a mess is because of people of Lee’s narrow mindset running them. I hope that this new Met commissioner is every bit as woke as Lee thinks he is, it’s the only way it’s ever going to get sorted out.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,613
fernandopartridge said:
I've no sympathy with the government in this matter at all but this is piss poor from the RCN

Nurses to cut short strike as court rules second day of action unlawful

Ruling prompts RCN leader Pat Cullen to condemn government for ‘taking its own nurses to court’
www.theguardian.com
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Really basic stuff that and poor from the union.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,614
The striking across A&E, intensive care and maternity services risks turning the public against them too. So far people have generally been behind them, but it's a bit of an open goal when something bad happens - and it inevitably will, even if not directly related to the strike.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,615
Deleted member 5849 said:
The striking across A&E, intensive care and maternity services risks turning the public against them too. So far people have generally been behind them, but it's a bit of an open goal when something bad happens - and it inevitably will, even if not directly related to the strike.
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You either support their right to strike or you don't
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,616
fernandopartridge said:
You either support their right to strike or you don't
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You might, I might, that wasn't really the point being made though.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 27, 2023
  • #28,617
Deleted member 5849 said:
You might, I might, that wasn't really the point being made though.
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I meant you as a collective noun
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,618
Nice of the BBC to devote plenty of time to anti union journalism

Newspaper headlines: 'Vindictive' rail unions and 'talk show king' dies

Friday's front headlines cover the latest rail strikes announced and the death of Jerry Springer.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,619
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nice of the BBC to devote plenty of time to anti union journalism

Newspaper headlines: 'Vindictive' rail unions and 'talk show king' dies

Friday's front headlines cover the latest rail strikes announced and the death of Jerry Springer.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Unless i'm missing something don't they report the newspaper headlines on a daily basis?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,620
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
Unless i'm missing something don't they report the newspaper headlines on a daily basis?
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Look further down.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,621
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nice of the BBC to devote plenty of time to anti union journalism

Newspaper headlines: 'Vindictive' rail unions and 'talk show king' dies

Friday's front headlines cover the latest rail strikes announced and the death of Jerry Springer.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Would that be the 'left wing' BBC headed by Richard 'not a tory shill' Sharp?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,622
clint van damme said:
Would that be the 'left wing' BBC headed by Richard 'not a tory shill' Sharp?
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Telegraph says his involvement in the £800k loan to the Clown was a 'technical breach' so he should get away with it. Funny that, I didn't realise you could use that term as a get out of jail free card.
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,623
clint van damme said:
Would that be the 'left wing' BBC headed by Richard 'not a tory shill' Sharp?
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Interesting the Times and Telegraph seem at odds over how the investigation has gone. I expect he'll wriggle free in the end but id hope not as the whole affair fucking reeks.
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,624
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Telegraph says his involvement in the £800k loan to the Clown was a 'technical breach' so he should get away with it. Funny that, I didn't realise you could use that term as a get out of jail free card.
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Resigned. Naturally he's only doing so in the interests of the bbc. Very noble.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,625
The French don't fuck about when it comes to striking


 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,626
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Telegraph says his involvement in the £800k loan to the Clown was a 'technical breach' so he should get away with it. Funny that, I didn't realise you could use that term as a get out of jail free card.
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So I guess if someone where to call him a technical Tory stooge on air then they should get away with it?

Surely the operative word there is 'breach'. I don't think adding 'technical' in front of it makes it any better or means he should be let off. If it's a technical breach it's still a breach and therefore should be liable to whatever penalties and sanctions come with it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,627
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So I guess if someone where to call him a technical Tory stooge on air then they should get away with it?

Surely the operative word there is 'breach'. I don't think adding 'technical' in front of it makes it any better or means he should be let off. If it's a technical breach it's still a breach and therefore should be liable to whatever penalties and sanctions come with it.
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And yet in amongst all this is Johnson himself borrowing money from all over the place. What's he spending it all on?
 

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 28, 2023
  • #28,628
Brighton Sky Blue said:
And yet in amongst all this is Johnson himself borrowing money from all over the place. What's he spending it all on?
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Child maintenance
 
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dutchman

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  • Apr 29, 2023
  • #28,629
Brighton Sky Blue said:
And yet in amongst all this is Johnson himself borrowing money from all over the place. What's he spending it all on?
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Wallpaper!
 
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duffer

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  • Apr 29, 2023
  • #28,630
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Telegraph says his involvement in the £800k loan to the Clown was a 'technical breach' so he should get away with it. Funny that, I didn't realise you could use that term as a get out of jail free card.
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"Yes Constable, I accept that technically speaking I was holding a sawn-off shotgun whilst asking for a large cash withdrawal in unmarked, non-consecutive, low-denomination notes. And the ski-mask was perhaps was a poor choice of outerwear given the weather. So I suppose that some people might consider it to be bank robbery.

But since it was just a 'technical breach' I'm sure we can overlook it just this once, no?."
 
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