NHS Employers isn't an NHS body, just an executive groupKeep digging you prick….
So an odious, misleading prick then.NHS Employers isn't an NHS body, just an executive group
Wtf is Raab on about activist senior civil servants who work in a passive aggressive way blocking government policy.
I fear he means something completely different
I also fear we may have that with mr king.
As a minister you state your desire and work with the civil service to make it possible you don’t tell them or bully them into doing things they know won’t work you listen to their knowledge and experience
Worst form of bully who has no idea of how his actions affect others
Doug??Mr King??
Doug??
Who is he?You don’t seem to be sharing the love in for Doug
Interesting that you generally spoke more highly of Seppala than King. I'm not sure what he's about yet but that's baffling, he'd really have to shit the bed to be worse than her.Who is he?
Why is he involved?
What does he bring?
Why should we trust him?
I know you don’t think much of many of the players involved but like Raab and the civil servants just cause you’re the top dog doesn’t mean you don’t listen to those with the corporate history and knowledge
Don’t get me wrong he’s more successful than me in monetary and position terms
Who am I but I wasn’t impressed at the forum. Maybe you lot are getting under my middle class politeness at all cost exterior and I’m not willing to wait to be screwed before expecting the least modicum of honesty and transparency
Sorry don’t mean to come across like that. To be fair since I got to speak to her she’d taken a massive step back and allowed the football people to get on with the job of progressing the club without interference.Interesting that you generally spoke more highly of Seppala than King. I'm not sure what he's about yet but that's baffling, he'd really have to shit the bed to be worse than her.
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Were you one of the folks who believe he's a stand in for Ashley?Sorry don’t mean to come across like that. To be fair since I got to speak to her she’d taken a massive step back and allowed the football people to get on with the job of progressing the club without interference.
Was just annoyed at his dismissal on the question of a deal with the arena owner. As if it was pointless talking to us. It’s fine. Maybe my doubts will be broadly dispelled by what happens from now
I hear things though
Sorry don’t mean to come across like that. To be fair since I got to speak to her she’d taken a massive step back and allowed the football people to get on with the job of progressing the club without interference.
Was just annoyed at his dismissal on the question of a deal with the arena owner. As if it was pointless talking to us. It’s fine. Maybe my doubts will be broadly dispelled by what happens from now
I hear things though
I agree and sorryFirstly: stop posting about football in off topic!
Seriously though I’ve heard similar things, it’ll all come down to if he progresses the club. If he does anything he does is justified, if not it’s not. That’s football really.
If you've heard shit we want it spilled though. That's what the forum is for.Firstly: stop posting about football in off topic!
Seriously though I’ve heard similar things, it’ll all come down to if he progresses the club. If he does anything he does is justified, if not it’s not. That’s football really.
Diane Abbott has lost the party whip
Dont suppose she needs it anymore now Gezza is gone
If you've heard shit we want it spilled though. That's what the forum is for.
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Yeah tbf I'd say certain elements of the club need their feathers ruffled.Nothing worth spilling, just grumbles that line up with what Pete is saying. I think King has ruffled a few feathers. If it works out we’ll all say it was the right move to shake things up. If not he’s an idiot who should have listened to the experience at the club. Such is leadership.
No I try to be evidence rather than opinion based. I’ve seen and heard nothing to suggest thisWere you one of the folks who believe he's a stand in for Ashley?
One thing that you can’t argue Corbyn was wrong about
Boris Johnson and Donald Trump’s ‘Private’ Talks on Privatising the NHS Reveal Denials were Untrue
Boris Johnson and Donald Trump Privately Discussed Privatising the NHS according to a new biography of the former Prime Minister.bylinetimes.com
We’ve got to get the Tories out at the next GE to save the NHS. Whatever you think of Starmer you need to vote for the party most likely to do get your sitting Tory MP out or keep your non Tory MP in. Even if that means voting for Starmers Labour candidate.
Labour is quite happy with the Tory model which is effectively a licensing of the NHS brand to any provider, Streeting and Starmer have said as much.One thing that you can’t argue Corbyn was wrong about
Boris Johnson and Donald Trump’s ‘Private’ Talks on Privatising the NHS Reveal Denials were Untrue
Boris Johnson and Donald Trump Privately Discussed Privatising the NHS according to a new biography of the former Prime Minister.bylinetimes.com
We’ve got to get the Tories out at the next GE to save the NHS. Whatever you think of Starmer you need to vote for the party most likely to do get your sitting Tory MP out or keep your non Tory MP in. Even if that means voting for Starmers Labour candidate.
I believe that their official policy is to reverse the tax cut on the additional 45% tax rate to pay for improvements in the NHS including training more nurses, doctors and health visitors. Front line at least they’re trying to make improvements and already have a plan to pay for it. I think you’re going to have to stretch a fair bit to say they plan to privatise the NHS rolling out a US style healthcare system provided by US healthcare providers which is clearly the road that the Tories want to go down. Make no mistake, Sunak is continuity Boris.Labour is quite happy with the Tory model which is effectively a licensing of the NHS brand to any provider, Streeting and Starmer have said as much.
Their commitment to a balanced budget means that the NHS is doomed, unless they're going to raise the overall tax take significantly or cut spending elsewhere somehow.
We already have an NHS model based on the American 'Accountable Care Partnership', it's been in the offing for a few years but has finally as of July last year come to fruition as the 'Integrated Care System (ICS)'. Each ICS is comprised of a number of healthcare providers in a geographic sub region and has a capitated budget. The system has to work within that budget which inevitably means work moving from the NHS providers to private ones or stopping altogether as the local system deems it too expensive to provide. These decisions on what services can be provided will differ from area to area which means that the idea of a national health service is gone.I believe that their official policy is to reverse the tax cut on the additional 45% tax rate to pay for improvements in the NHS including training more nurses, doctors and health visitors. Front line at least they’re trying to make improvements and already have a plan to pay for it. I think you’re going to have to stretch a fair bit to say they plan to privatise the NHS rolling out a US style healthcare system provided by US healthcare providers which is clearly the road that the Tories want to go down. Make no mistake, Sunak is continuity Boris.
TBF Corbyn pledged to scrap the planned ICS scheme at the last GE. Now I think he lost the last GE on brexit, you don’t. On that basis you probably need to rethink your approach to ICS’s as it’s clearly not a vote winner to scrap it. Part of the reason that the NHS is struggling is because it can’t discharge patients back into the community because the care isn’t available in the community. Obviously this needs addressing. On that basis on the surface of it an ICS is an obvious solution. How you go about it is the crux of the problem. I don’t trust the Tories to deliver it as I’m sure you don’t either, Labour are not yet clear on their solution but throwing the baby out with the bath water probably isn’t going to be the best starting point. I would wait until you hear what they have to say about it would be my first peace of advice. My second piece of advice would be to judge it against what the Tories are doing already and pledging to do at the next GE. There’s zero point of judging against what Corbyn would have done, that ship has sailed. You need to be comparing eggs with eggs.We already have an NHS model based on the American 'Accountable Care Partnership', it's been in the offing for a few years but has finally as of July last year come to fruition as the 'Integrated Care System (ICS)'. Each ICS is comprised of a number of healthcare providers in a geographic sub region and has a capitated budget. The system has to work within that budget which inevitably means work moving from the NHS providers to private ones or stopping altogether as the local system deems it too expensive to provide. These decisions on what services can be provided will differ from area to area which means that the idea of a national health service is gone.
To be fair to Streeting he said some broadly more encouraging things last week but I don't believe that fundamentally he's likely to change any of that underlying ICS infrastructure.
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