(1) But we have to face the fact that the only time we've had a Labour/non right wing government in my lifetime is when it moved more to the right. Would you say that that government, even though not ideologically what we'd want, was still massively different to what we've seen from the Tories?
(2) Whether we like it or not, there are far too many people that have been indoctrinated into right-wing thinking and are automatically sceptical when you say things like socialism, even if it would be better for them.
(3) Corbyn had two elections and lost both. I think the Tories would feel far more confident of winning the next one, even despite the shitshow, if he were still in charge because they know they can just press those buttons.
(4) I've said before that I think a lot of the recent Labour leaders have been let down by advisors trying to make them appeal to as many people as possible, and thus come across as disingenuous. At this point the Tories are showing their incompetence and are losing themselves the next election. Rocking the boat is only likely to make it less likely Labour will win. Right now, the objective is to make sure they get into power, then they can start making changes. Acting like a left wing firebrand is not going to help achieve that aim.
(5) Of course he can't win - go left wing and Tories push that button and say he's a threat to the economy or stay more to the centre and get accused of just being a Tory in disguise. I'm sure the Tories love hearing people say they think Starmer is little different to them so why vote for him. They know he'd be different.
Also you have to tack right socially for voters. And you have to do it even more if you’re left wing to cut through. Anyone who thinks the next Parliament is identical in outcome regardless of party is mental.
Based on nothing but hope. Labour isn't even promising to improve outcomes, just "growth".
Based on the evidence of the positions of the 350 odd Labour MPs who are likely to be elected.
What do you mean outcomes?
Compared to NHS staff though. They keep spouting this nonsense that we’re all in it together and everyone has to take some pain. Clearly some public sector workers are in it more than others and are taking more pain than others. My wife works in an NHS department and is on the top rate of the scale for her job so has basically had a pay freeze for the majority of the last 13 years and the few rises (2 in the last 13 years from memory) she has had have been circa 1% from memory. And like you say, my wife has no work related expenses, even the pension isn’t that good anymore which was always the draw of being a civil servant.TBF MP wages have not kept pace with inflation either, using RPI as the measure they're way below what they should be. I'd be reluctant to tie pay rises to something in the gift of MPs to manipulate, it should be against one of the recognised inflation measures (albeit RPI isn't properly recognised any more). Post 2010 austerity has not been good for anybody.
That said, MPs have the benefit of having all of their work related expenses and even accommodation paid for, so difficult to compare:
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Yeah, thank god the party in power isn’t full of them types thanks to the current MP’s pay structure.More Jacob Rees Moggs and Jeremy hunts then
So are you saying you think that Starmer should get into a tax cut battle with the Tories?As in more prosperous people, improved health and wellbeing, improvements in life expectancy. I've not heard anything positive at all just some information about crackdowns.
Kier Starmer's missions barely touch on any of it, the 5th one is just a high-level statement with absolutely no detail at all - we're 12 months out from an election. You cannot promise nothing but competence as people just won't vote and that's ideal for the Tories. I think it's likely the Tories will offer income tax cuts early next year, I'm sure Labour offering to freeze Council Tax will compete with it.
Still a few points ahead of the blue team, but the gap is closingStarmer in the crowd at the Arsenal game. Is he sure it’s wise to support a team in red?
Still a few points ahead of the blue team, but the gap is closing
Sunak having a nightmare today. Firstly his statement on math’s education has fallen mainly on deaf ears, unless you include people looking into the government’s record on recruiting math teachers
And now he’s facing an investigation
Rishi Sunak investigated over declaration of interest
The prime minister faces a declaration of interest inquiry over a childcare firm his wife has shares in.www.bbc.co.uk
When is Johnathon Gillis coming out to tell us that ‘maths is woke’Sunak having a nightmare today. Firstly his statement on math’s education has fallen mainly on deaf ears, unless you include people looking into the government’s record on recruiting math teachers
And now he’s facing an investigation
Rishi Sunak investigated over declaration of interest
The prime minister faces a declaration of interest inquiry over a childcare firm his wife has shares in.www.bbc.co.uk
Always said Princethorpe College was full of wrongs unsWhen is Johnathon Gillis coming out to tell us that ‘maths is woke’
nicely edited before the replyFancy being outwitted by this boring Tory c**t
Greatnicely edited before the reply
it ended with sunak being reduced to thinkinh "sir softie" was a killer line
PMQs was an embarrassment today. The whole thing was a shambles, and poorly controlled by the Speaker, but then the exchanges were basically..
"You don't hate the bad guys enough"
"No, you don't hate the bad guys. We are trying to stop the bad guys"
"I hate the bad guys, you seem to love the bad guys"
"No, you love the bad guys, and all of your mates do too"
I get that Starmer is supposed to be appealling to a certain section of voters that might switch from blue to red, but Jesus wept.
And then this "Sir Softie, soft on crime" stuff?
Who is advising these people?!
YeahWhat it really highlights is what they think of the general public
Yeah
Thats why Farage can be the answer which is outrageous
The labour movement representing their peers those many decades ago and forming the Labour Party has long lost its meaning and livelihood
I wonder if there’s is a person that can unite the populace from within the party system or if that sort of democracy is dead
Sunak looks weak, took 24 hrs and although would have invited Raab resign, Sunak didn't sack him.report must of been bad if they couldn't find a way to spin it so he could stay
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