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shmmeee

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  • Aug 19, 2022
  • #20,301
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 19, 2022
  • #20,302
shmmeee said:
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The more Truss speaks the bigger that leads going to get, she's deranged.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 19, 2022
  • #20,303
clint van damme said:
The more Truss speaks the bigger that leads going to get, she's deranged.
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Latest pledge was for more grammar and free schools
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 19, 2022
  • #20,304
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Latest pledge was for more grammar and free schools
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She’s like a chat bot whose entire training set is the Daily Express archive.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 19, 2022
  • #20,305
shmmeee said:
She’s like a chat bot whose entire training set is the Daily Express archive.
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Currently the lack of any scrutiny from the 4th estate is helpful for Labour as for whatever reason the media isn't trying to translate what's being said into something even vaguely reasonable. Sunak's response is to follow her lead.

Annoyingly my local Tory MP knocked my door not long before I got back yesterday. He would have got a piece of my mind.

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dutchman

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  • Aug 20, 2022
  • #20,306
Sky Blue Pete said:
Can anyone explain to me how a family on the breadline being given £1200 in handout can pay an electricity and gas bill that increases by £2000
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Lucky to get £1200, most pensioners won't even get half that.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 20, 2022
  • #20,307
Lib Dems on -11% according to the Mail

 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 20, 2022
  • #20,308
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Lib Dems on -11% according to the Mail

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YouGove, IGove,WeGove



 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 20, 2022
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And on that note, nice of him to point out the obvious

Gove backs Sunak and says Truss is ‘taking holiday from reality’

Former cabinet minister says he does not expect to return to frontbench politics as he backs underdog in race to be PM
www.theguardian.com
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 20, 2022
  • #20,310
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Lib Dems on -11% according to the Mail

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More good news for Starmer.
 
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SBbucks

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  • Aug 20, 2022
  • #20,311
shmmeee said:
Honesty I don’t think he’d have done much better. The Tories hasn’t been in power for 18 years and seemed a lot more moderate. Also things like the banana pic suggest he’d have had a few gaffes of his own, plus all the same “scary Marxist dad” attacks obviously.

I’ve seen nothing from David in either policy or personality terms to back up the idea he was some kind of electoral messiah. Though TBF I joined during Millibands leadership and David pretty much vanished once he lose.

I think between the SNP, Cameron, the need for change, and the looming Brexit vote promise, 2015 was a much harder election for Labour than is often recognised
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I’m not sure where you get “The Tories hasn’t been in power for 18 years” from. The Tories had already been in power for 5 years when Milliband lost the 2015 election.


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shmmeee

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  • Aug 20, 2022
  • #20,312
SBbucks said:
I’m not sure where you get “The Tories hasn’t been in power for 18 years” from. The Tories had already been in power for 5 years when Milliband lost the 2015 election.


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Not on their own. So they couldn’t be full blown mental Tories like we have now.
 
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SBbucks

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,313
shmmeee said:
Not on their own. So they couldn’t be full blown mental Tories like we have now.
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You think the Liberals had much say? The flagship Liberal policy (removing Uni tuition fees) was abandoned almost immediately and their impact was minimal other than propping up Cameron & Osborne. It was a Tory government.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,314
SBbucks said:
You think the Liberals had much say? The flagship Liberal policy (removing Uni tuition fees) was abandoned almost immediately and their impact was minimal other than propping up Cameron & Osborne. It was a Tory government.


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Don’t forget the AV referendum
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,315
Another brexit benefit coming to fruition. Tories now pretending to be appalled by what they voted for like they never voted for it

 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,316
SBbucks said:
You think the Liberals had much say? The flagship Liberal policy (removing Uni tuition fees) was abandoned almost immediately and their impact was minimal other than propping up Cameron & Osborne. It was a Tory government.


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Yes. Or more specifically the electorate.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,317
shmmeee said:
Not on their own. So they couldn’t be full blown mental Tories like we have now.
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Oh come on, the 2010-15 government slashed departmental budgets in a proper Tory way. I'm sure you've seen that ridiculous comment from Polly McKenzie which implied that the Lib Dems voted for such austerity in exchange for carrier bag charges.



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  • Aug 21, 2022
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Nick Clegg singlehandedly destroyed all the work Ashdown and Kennedy had done to build their party up, caused Brexit as much as anybody... and gets rewarded with a nice fat paid job for his troubles afterwards!
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,319
Deleted member 5849 said:
Nick Clegg singlehandedly destroyed all the work Ashdown and Kennedy had done to build their party up, caused Brexit as much as anybody... and gets rewarded with a nice fat paid job for his troubles afterwards!
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Dreadful betrayal of party values.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 21, 2022
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Nick Clegg singlehandedly destroyed all the work Ashdown and Kennedy had done to build their party up, caused Brexit as much as anybody... and gets rewarded with a nice fat paid job for his troubles afterwards!
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Wonder how a Lab-Lib coalition would have turned out
 
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SBbucks

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,321
fernandopartridge said:
Oh come on, the 2010-15 government slashed departmental budgets in a proper Tory way. I'm sure you've seen that ridiculous comment from Polly McKenzie which implied that the Lib Dems voted for such austerity in exchange for carrier bag charges.



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Agreed, it was a proper Tory government, with all the associated damage caused to the country. The Liberals did not lessen the effect at all and were largely ignored (and subsequently scapegoated).
Back onto the original point, the primary reason Labour lost was that while their policies were popular the country did not see EM as a prime minister. The Tories were very unpopular at the time due to the austerity measures, but as many polls at the time showed, Cameron was seen as prime minister material and EM clearly was not. We will never know if David M would have won or not had he been leader, but it would certainly have been much closer and likely would have resulted in a hung parliament, probably with Labour with most seats. All parties were planning for a hung parliament right up to the exit polls. Read Campbell volume 8 for detailed background.


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Ian1779

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,322
SBbucks said:
Agreed, it was a proper Tory government, with all the associated damage caused to the country. The Liberals did not lessen the effect at all and were largely ignored (and subsequently scapegoated).
Back onto the original point, the primary reason Labour lost was that while their policies were popular the country did not see EM as a prime minister. The Tories were very unpopular at the time due to the austerity measures, but as many polls at the time showed, Cameron was seen as prime minister material and EM clearly was not. We will never know if David M would have won or not had he been leader, but it would certainly have been much closer and likely would have resulted in a hung parliament, probably with Labour with most seats. All parties were planning for a hung parliament right up to the exit polls. Read Campbell volume 8 for detailed background.


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Their policy offer lacked depth though - couple that with their obliteration in Scotland post IndyRef and you have the perfect storm of poor planning and ideas.
It’s a microcosm of what Starmer has appeared to try and do so far which is why it is so frustrating. His recent announcement on energy is welcome but we need more than a 2015 re-hash.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,323
Ian1779 said:
Their policy offer lacked depth though - couple that with their obliteration in Scotland post IndyRef and you have the perfect storm of poor planning and ideas.
It’s a microcosm of what Starmer has appeared to try and do so far which is why it is so frustrating. His recent announcement on energy is welcome but we need more than a 2015 re-hash.
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We need a powerful argument of redistribution and policies that make this a reality
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,324
Sky Blue Pete said:
We need a powerful argument of redistribution and policies that make this a reality
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Simple

‘It’s your money really’
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,325
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Simple

‘It’s your money really’
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Should be shouldnt it
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,326
Tory MP’s getting upset on twitter because people keep pointing out that sewerage being deliberately discharged into rivers and seas is a direct result of them voting to allow water companies to deliberately discharge sewage directly into them last October. Labour wanted to put an amendment into the bill but were accused of playing politics



 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 21, 2022
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skybluetony176 said:
Tory MP’s getting upset on twitter because people keep pointing out that sewerage being deliberately discharged into rivers and seas is a direct result of them voting to allow water companies to deliberately discharge sewage directly into them last October. Labour wanted to put an amendment into the bill but were accused of playing politics



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Ian1779

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,328
Sky Blue Pete said:
Absolute c units
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Think we have a moral responsibility to endlessly retweet this information.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,329
Yeah because no one will be able to check for themselves Andrea….

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 21, 2022
  • #20,330
Ian1779 said:
Yeah because no one will be able to check for themselves Andrea….

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Well yes

How did my MP vote on sewage? Row over dumping raw sewage into UK rivers explained as vote sparks outcry (inews.co.uk)
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 22, 2022
  • #20,331
Even his daddy and sister understand the government is to blame

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 22, 2022
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 22, 2022
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 22, 2022
  • #20,334
Interesting couple of threads:

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 22, 2022
  • #20,335

#levellingup
 
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