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clint van damme

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,786
shmmeee said:
Sultana is the latest rumour for who they’re going to dredge up from the talent puddle to challenge Starmer. Which should tell you how serious any of this is.
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Sultana has been impressive asa constituency MP, she shouldn't be considered as leader.

Burnham is the only viable candidate really. I don't like Reeves but think she's performed quite well when I essentially her.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,787
skybluetony176 said:
Nandy would be the best leader for Labour. A clean candidate who opposed Corbyn but remained loyal to traditional Labour values. The Labour Party would be mad to not vote her the next leader.
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Any time I see her under a bit of pressure she looks like she's going to crumble.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,788
Deleted member 5849 said:
Currently here I've had one Tory, and one TUSC leaflet - that's it. Given one of our councillors died, you'd think the mooted replacement would be doing some campaigning, at the very least!

As for the Police Commissioner, I have no clue who any of them are, or what they want to do.

How can I vote, if nobody wants to tell me what (and who!) I'm voting for! At least I got the booklet with the mayoral candidates, I suppose!
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I've been inundated and thrown everyone straight in the bin
 
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PVA

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,789
Burnham would be a decent shout.

But I don't think it matters who the leader of the opposition is at the moment, the Tories are absolutely teflon with getting Brexit 'done' and the vaccine bounce. All the other shit they’re up to people either don't care about or are oblivious too.

I’m sure Starmer (or whoever the LOTO was) would love to come out on the attack and call Johnson a useless lazy fuckwit, we know that’s what he thinks of him, but it’s not what the public wants to hear right now. Criticising Johnson is tantamount to treason in the eyes of many.

Instead he just has to bide his time and play the long game. It makes him look weak or indecisive or ineffective but it’s his best bet. It’s too early to come out on the attack now, so far from the next election. Bide his time, wait for the inquiries into Covid/PPE/Corruption to come out, wait for the Tory infighting to start, and then go on the offensive.
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,790
You are probably right about the Tory Teflon effect at the moment. What Labour don’t appear to have done is give the electorate a reason to vote for them ‘other than not being Tory’ or ‘new management’ in an era where the current incumbent are pretty untouchable.
I think Starmer is being let down by a pretty atrocious strategy team currently. It’s no secret I am not a fan of his at all... but replacing him at this stage is of no use to anyone other than Johnson.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,791
I think it is just a matter of time now.

Sir Keir Starmer says he will take responsibility for Labour election results

Speaking ahead of Thursday's elections, the leader says there is still a mountain to climb for his party.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,792
Ian1779 said:
...What Labour don’t appear to have done is give the electorate a reason to vote for them ‘other than not being Tory...
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Absolutely correct.

Not a good enough reason in my book to vote Labour.

Of course, if you can't split the political parties on local public policy what reason can you give to vote Labour?
 
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SBAndy

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,793
PVA said:
Burnham would be a decent shout.

But I don't think it matters who the leader of the opposition is at the moment, the Tories are absolutely teflon with getting Brexit 'done' and the vaccine bounce. All the other shit they’re up to people either don't care about or are oblivious too.

I’m sure Starmer (or whoever the LOTO was) would love to come out on the attack and call Johnson a useless lazy fuckwit, we know that’s what he thinks of him, but it’s not what the public wants to hear right now. Criticising Johnson is tantamount to treason in the eyes of many.

Instead he just has to bide his time and play the long game. It makes him look weak or indecisive or ineffective but it’s his best bet. It’s too early to come out on the attack now, so far from the next election. Bide his time, wait for the inquiries into Covid/PPE/Corruption to come out, wait for the Tory infighting to start, and then go on the offensive.
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The danger, though, is that the Tories are already planning for their future without Boris at the helm. At that point all this PPE/cronyism/etc scandal can be palmed off on the previous incumbent and perpetuates this Teflon image. Sitting tight for the right time to attack will ultimately, I’m sure, result in that perfect time being missed.
 
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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,794
SBAndy said:
The danger, though, is that the Tories are already planning for their future without Boris at the helm. At that point all this PPE/cronyism/etc scandal can be palmed off on the previous incumbent and perpetuates this Teflon image. Sitting tight for the right time to attack will ultimately, I’m sure, result in that perfect time being missed.
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Maybe, but it's also true that it won't play well now. Cummings has tried to blow the bloody doors off, and all that's happened is that the government has become more popular!
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,795
SBAndy said:
The danger, though, is that the Tories are already planning for their future without Boris at the helm. At that point all this PPE/cronyism/etc scandal can be palmed off on the previous incumbent and perpetuates this Teflon image. Sitting tight for the right time to attack will ultimately, I’m sure, result in that perfect time being missed.
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No opposition can do anything about a government delivering first on 50% of the populations main priority then on 100% of the nations top priority.

But equally no government has a run of luck like that. Can only brexit and vaccinate once, then you’ve actually got to run the country.

I suspect we’ll get shot of Johnson towards the end of the year then a GE with the new model in 2022.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,796
 
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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,797
Evo1883 said:
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So that's what happened to our former left back!
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,798
Deleted member 5849 said:
So that's what happened to our former left back!
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shmmeee

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,799
Evo1883 said:
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Is actually a small drop in right wing vote from 2019, won’t be reported as that though. “This trend that’s been happening for twenty years is definitely proof of my pet theory about the last year/month/day”.

Meanwhile the south is deserting the Tories as the educated millennials move out to the suburbs. Also been happening for 20 years.

Will be interesting to watch the strategies switch around when Labour realise they have to go full bore at economic centrists and rural voters.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,800
I'm equally worried about a John Prescott standing for Farage's lot!
 

Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,801
These lot don't help our fight though, sorry Wisdom I'm done now

People from hartlepool see things like this and think fuck you
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,802
Yay Tories rule everywhere and with the SNP permanently winning in Scotland the whole island’s shit!
 

shmmeee

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,803
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yay Tories rule everywhere and with the SNP permanently winning in Scotland the whole island’s shit!
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Only place to hide is London, and that’s full of Londoners: the only thing worse than a Tory
 

Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,804
No end in sight either
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,805
shmmeee said:
Only place to hide is London, and that’s full of Londoners: the only thing worse than a Tory
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The only refuge is Brighton at this point. The country basically being a one party state makes me want out more than ever
 

Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,806
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The only refuge is Brighton at this point. The country basically being a one party state makes me want out more than ever
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Coventry is still Labour , well just about
 
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PVA

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,807
Evo1883 said:
These lot don't help our fight though, sorry Wisdom I'm done now View attachment 19952

People from hartlepool see things like this and think fuck you
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I'm sorry I just don't get this thinking.

A random on twitter says something a person doesn't like like on social media and that person's thought is 'I know, I'll vote for the incompetent, corrupt tories who shaft people like me at every opportunity instead, that'll show that person on twitter'.

Just makes no sense.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,808
PVA said:
I'm sorry I just don't get this thinking.

A random on twitter says something a person doesn't like like on social media and that person's thought is 'I know, I'll vote for the incompetent, corrupt tories who shaft people like me at every opportunity instead, that'll show that person on twitter'.

Just makes no sense.
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Been through this already .

Makes no sense to you , makes perfect sense to me



People won't vote for this, maybe people who think this way would ..but not much else
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,809
Evo1883 said:
Coventry is still Labour , well just about
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It’s all just going one way Evo and that’s the Tories getting more votes the shitter they govern. Like if there isn’t even a pathway back for a Labour government it’s just permanent crap
 

Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,810
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s all just going one way Evo and that’s the Tories getting more votes the shitter they govern. Like if there isn’t even a pathway back for a Labour government it’s just permanent crap
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Il still vote for them ,but it's more a "it's what we do " thing more than anything.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,811
Evo1883 said:
Il still vote for them ,but it's more a "it's what we do " thing more than anything.
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Well no in my mind on policy they are miles better, always look at the manifestos. Try to not look too much at idiots on social media but what each party tends to do in office
 
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PVA

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,812
Evo1883 said:
People won't vote for this
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…but they will vote for the lying, stealing, corrupt, incompetent party who will fuck them over?
 

Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,813
PVA said:
…but they will vote for the lying, stealing, corrupt, incompetent party who will fuck them over?
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You don't get it , which is understandable, you think this way too
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,814
Evo1883 said:
You don't get it , which is understandable, you think this way too
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Have asked you before but genuinely what is Labour supposed to do? In fact that’s an open question to those slagging it off
 
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PVA

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,815
Evo1883 said:
You don't get it , which is understandable, you think this way too
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Some fat old racists are still blaming the EU yes. I don't think that can be denied.

But it just comes back to the same question. People aren't voting Labour for whatever reasons which is fine, but why the hell are they then voting Tory.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,816
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Have asked you before but genuinely what is Labour supposed to do? In fact that’s an open question to those slagging it off
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I vote Labour, shmmeee alluded to it before why people don't like them ...they dont appeal to people .

They are the party of activism , the party of identity and social politics .

if you keep telling people how thick, racist and privileged they are , they won't vote for you .

I get it, I really do .

You can put forward good policies etc but nobody likes your MPs
 

Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,817
PVA said:
Some fat old racists are still blaming the EU yes. I don't think that can be denied.

But it just comes back to the same question. People aren't voting Labour for whatever reasons which is fine, but why the hell are they then voting Tory.
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Because if they vote tory they don't align with opinions like yours
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,818
Evo1883 said:
I vote Labour, shmmeee alluded to it before why people don't like them ...they dont appeal to people .

They are the party of activism , the party of identity and social politics .

if you keep telling people how thick, racist and privileged they are , they won't vote for you .

I get it, I really do .

You can put forward good policies etc but nobody likes your MPs
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Do people really like Hancock, Williamson, Patel, Gove and Raab?
 
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PVA

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,819
Evo1883 said:
I vote Labour, shmmeee alluded to it before why people don't like them ...they dont appeal to people .

They are the party of activism , the party of identity and social politics .

if you keep telling people how thick, racist and privileged they are , they won't vote for you .

I get it, I really do .

You can put forward good policies etc but nobody likes your MPs
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You've posted one example of it, but that aside their MPs are not literally calling people thick racists, yet Tory government is literally stealing from people and fucking the country.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 4, 2021
  • #1,820
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do people really like Hancock, Williamson, Patel, Gove and Raab?
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I think people genuinely do , that's the thing .
What we think isn't what everybody thinks .
 
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