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chiefdave · Jun 27, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
I also think this was pretty typical for my generation, can’t think of a single mate who didn’t do the same while living at home once working.

Same here, can't think of anyone that didn't pay rent at home. It highlights the problem really.

G, who in the past has spoken about how his kids haven't needed his help to get on the property ladder, has said his daughter saved £50K in 5 years while paying no rent. Obviously that's brilliant for her and to be applauded but if you're an 18 year old on minimum wage you're earning £14K a year. Its not hard to see why a lot of people struggle to save the kind of deposit required and pass affordability tests.

We need more housing, its as simple as that. The supply is being limited to keep prices high. Problem now is we've been in this situation for so long even if there was a massive house building program started its going to take years, or more likely decades, to get to where we need to be.

skybluetony176 · Jun 27, 2022

chiefdave said:
Same here, can't think of anyone that didn't pay rent at home. It highlights the problem really.

G, who in the past has spoken about how his kids haven't needed his help to get on the property ladder, has said his daughter saved £50K in 5 years while paying no rent. Obviously that's brilliant for her and to be applauded but if you're an 18 year old on minimum wage you're earning £14K a year. Its not hard to see why a lot of people struggle to save the kind of deposit required and pass affordability tests.

We need more housing, its as simple as that. The supply is being limited to keep prices high. Problem now is we've been in this situation for so long even if there was a massive house building program started its going to take years, or more likely decades, to get to where we need to be.

The very fact that they were living at home rent free is help. Especially as they wouldn’t have had other expenditures such as energy bills, council tax, water rates and food bills. Many young people don’t have that luxury as well as paying private landlord rent on top of that. They may also not have the luxury of living with their parents for a number of reasons such as moved away for work or simply from a disfunctional family where there isn’t the security of a family home. Not sure how people like this are supposed to save a deposit to get on the ladder.

Tommo1993 · Jun 27, 2022

Would love to own property one day, but at the moment it’s nothing but a pipe dream for us.

skybluetony176 · Jun 27, 2022

Barristers on strike today have been joined on the picket lines by RMT members to rapturous applause. Industrial action transcending traditional working and middle class professions. Like I said yesterday, it’s in the government’s interest to resolve these issues before it escalates. The working and middle classes are getting poorer while the rich get richer. The phoney culture war isn’t going to thwart a class war which is more and more every day looking like the real reason for the phoney culture war. The government and their paymasters think we’re stupid enough to be distracted by a phoney culture war while they take the piss more and more.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jun 27, 2022

Whilst i've no doubt its harder to get on the ladder since the cursed rise of buy-to-let, there are still some favourable elements for buyers & other ways & means to get on....
Borrowing is still cheap as chips with ultra-low interest rates.
Still plenty of 5% deposit mortgages on offer I believe.
Theres even still the opportunity to raise towards a deposit by stoozing the 0% credit card offers.....

I lived in shitty house-shares in order to save towards deposit for my first house......and my first house was a fixer-upper in a moody area.....

My mates daughter recently purchased her 1st house at 24 years of age with an average salary & no bank of mum & dad...... it is still possible in most of the UK outside of london & the hotspots....

shmmeee · Jun 27, 2022

Sadly the plural of anecdote isn’t data, and the actual data are pretty clear:

PVA · Jun 27, 2022

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
it is still possible in most of the UK outside of london & the hotspots....

It's possible, yes.

But it's much, much harder than it should be and much, much harder than it used to be.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jun 27, 2022

PVA said:
It's possible, yes.

But it's much, much harder than it should be and much, much harder than it used to be.

...thats kind of what I said....

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 27, 2022

shmmeee said:
Sadly the plural of anecdote isn’t data, and the actual data are pretty clear:

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Really like that phrase.

skybluetony176 · Jun 27, 2022

Still trotting out the vaccine lie. Things must be bad if we’re back to lying about Brexit benefits

PVA · Jun 27, 2022

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
...thats kind of what I said....

Kind of is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. It sounded like you're saying it's pretty easy for most people, when it clearly isn't.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 27, 2022

PVA said:
My dad paid for my deposit on my first house. I paid him back every penny. He didn't want or expect me to, but I wanted to

That's fantastic
I've lent one of my daughter quite a big deposit to help her buy a house her family can grow in to. We've agreed she'll pay me back over 20 years with no interest. I've decided from the off that after 10 years I'll gift her the rest if she sticks to it up until then, which she's unaware of . 3 years in she is and grafts hard . If she was to lose her job through no fault of her own I'd sort something out . I always think it's worth helping out if your kids have a good work ethic.

skybluetony176 · Jun 27, 2022

The phoney culture war continues with the Thatcher impersonator

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 27, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
The phoney culture war continues with the Thatcher impersonator

so hard to say yeah you’re right it was not right I withdraw. Wonder what they say to their kids about admitting they are wrong

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 27, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
That's fantastic
I've lent one of my daughter quite a big deposit to help her buy a house her family can grow in to. We've agreed she'll pay me back over 20 years with no interest. I've decided from the off that after 10 years I'll gift her the rest if she sticks to it up until then, which she's unaware of . 3 years in she is and grafts hard . If she was to lose her job through no fault of her own I'd sort something out . I always think it's worth helping out if your kids have a good work ethic.

That's great for her, but not really a solution for the numerous people her age that don't have that option. Can't really make it government policy can we?

skybluetony176 · Jun 28, 2022

Doctors looking likely to strike, Royal Mail workers being balloted today on strike action.

Nick · Jun 28, 2022

GPs have been on strike for the past 3 fucking years.

skybluetony176 · Jun 28, 2022

Nick said:
GPs have been on strike for the past 3 fucking years.

Depends on your GP, it’s a lottery. Mine never stopped seeing people. You just had to have a telephone or online consultation first. Personally I think it’s a good idea anyway, keeps people with a runny nose looking for a prescription for penicillin from wasting GP’s time meaning they can get on with people who have a genuine need for medical attention.

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 28, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
Depends on your GP, it’s a lottery. Mine never stopped seeing people. You just had to have a telephone or online consultation first. Personally I think it’s a good idea anyway, keeps people with a runny nose looking for a prescription for penicillin from wasting GP’s time meaning they can get on with people who have a genuine need for medical attention.

How it works with ours now I think it’s better, they also have way too many people

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jun 28, 2022

PVA said:
Kind of is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. It sounded like you're saying it's pretty easy for most people, when it clearly isn't.

Fair enough....it wasn't meant to.

I acknowledged its harder now.....I was just giving some reasons why its not ALL bad.....

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 28, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
That's great for her, but not really a solution for the numerous people her age that don't have that option. Can't really make it government policy can we?

That's precisely why I did it. Perhaps I shouldn't bother so it's fair on everyone else.

skybluetony176 · Jun 28, 2022

Remember when the culture minister said that C4 the country’s most streamed TV channel needed privatising to compete with Netflix

Netflix cuts 300 more jobs after subscriptions fall

In April the streaming giant reported its first subscriber loss in more than a decade.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 28, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
That's precisely why I did it. Perhaps I shouldn't bother so it's fair on everyone else.

Fair enough, but wouldn't it have been nicer if you hadn't had to do it in the first place?

oakey · Jun 28, 2022

So it begins

Grendel · Jun 28, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Fair enough, but wouldn't it have been nicer if you hadn't had to do it in the first place?

Why it helped him make some money to set him on the way

shmmeee · Jun 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Why it helped him make some money to set him on the way

He’d have had more money if housing was affordable.

Grendel · Jun 28, 2022

shmmeee said:
He’d have had more money if housing was affordable.

Would it? I dont know his personal circumstances - perhaps his a stoical chap whose happy with his lot.

shmmeee · Jun 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Would it? I dont know his personal circumstances - perhaps his a stoical chap whose happy with his lot.

I mean yes, if housing were more affordable obviously he’d have more money, cos he wouldn’t have to spend it on housing…

How happy he is with his extra money is a different point entirely. You really are flailing all over the shop recently.

Grendel · Jun 28, 2022

shmmeee said:
I mean yes, if housing were more affordable obviously he’d have more money, cos he wouldn’t have to spend it on housing…

How happy he is with his extra money is a different point entirely. You really are flailing all over the shop recently.

Says the man who needs advice from a primary school child to stop him from voting Brexit

shmmeee · Jun 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Says the man who needs advice from a primary school child to stop him from voting Brexit

Weren’t you the “family is all” guy?

fernandopartridge · Jun 28, 2022

I had the misfortune to click on the #MelillaMassacre hashtag earlier. Absolutely shocking and abhorrent, without in any way defending the UK governmentgovernment it shows it is by no means the worst in its treatment of asylum seekers. Spain ought to be ashamed.

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Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 28, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Fair enough, but wouldn't it have been nicer if you hadn't had to do it in the first place?

Nicer for me perhaps, but if I'm helping my kids out it's not really an issue.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 28, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Nicer for me perhaps, but if I'm helping my kids out it's not really an issue.

Well, it is because your kids would be able to afford the house and you'd have more money which could spend on them in other ways if you so chose. Ultimately you and your kids end up with less overall.

Grendel · Jun 29, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Well, it is because your kids would be able to afford the house and you'd have more money which could spend on them in other ways if you so chose. Ultimately you and your kids end up with less overall.

So you actually now think people should have more money and not less?

dutchman · Jun 29, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
The very fact that they were living at home rent free is help. Especially as they wouldn’t have had other expenditures such as energy bills, council tax, water rates and food bills. Many young people don’t have that luxury as well as paying private landlord rent on top of that. They may also not have the luxury of living with their parents for a number of reasons such as moved away for work or simply from a disfunctional family where there isn’t the security of a family home. Not sure how people like this are supposed to save a deposit to get on the ladder.

I remember when young people living at home were expected to pay 'board & lodging' which was often almost as much as they could earn.

I'm not talking a million years ago either but 1980s.

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