Do you want to discuss boring politics? (14 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Is this a swipe at Johnson?

You can only assume it is.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

No it’s referencing even Major managed A general election majority against that background. Neil Kinnock was a pretty good Labour leader who did balance the Union demands and recognised aspirations as well. His shadow cabinet especially Hattersley was strong.

A year later after major’s two defeats in a week he still lost. Starmer is pathetic he has nothing. The irony of course is if Corbyn hadn’t allowed Starmer his stupid Brexit fudge - which led to the election catastrophe- and admitted he wanted a hard Brexit and uk Job protectionism- he may have won why he caved in to Starmer and even allowed him in the shadow cabinet ive no idea

Well aside from the twaddle about unions being anti-aspiration I completely agree. Corbyn we all knew was pro Brexit but got caught in the focus group trap, tried to please everyone and ended up angering them instead.

I did go around several picket lines yesterday-no Labour MPs to be seen presumably following Starmer's orders

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No why should they?

It’s nothing to do with trains it’s a domino impact where industries will all demand the wage rises if these get their way - as we saw in the 70’s - unions smelled blood - nurses teachers then private sector unions will go for huge pay demands and the tax payer in the end would pick up the tab

It was your argument. If others get big pays rises they'll ask for it too.

 

[skybluetony176]

No it’s referencing even Major managed A general election majority against that background. Neil Kinnock was a pretty good Labour leader who did balance the Union demands and recognised aspirations as well. His shadow cabinet especially Hattersley was strong.

A year later after major’s two defeats in a week he still lost. Starmer is pathetic he has nothing. The irony of course is if Corbyn hadn’t allowed Starmer his stupid Brexit fudge - which led to the election catastrophe- and admitted he wanted a hard Brexit and uk Job protectionism- he may have won why he caved in to Starmer and even allowed him in the shadow cabinet ive no idea

But Major won more votes against that background than Boris won on a wave of populism. So you must be having a dig at Boris.

 

[skybluetony176]

The Tories are also simply waiting for the optimal point to replace him with a competent, non-criminal figure

A competent non criminal figure in the current Tory party? That’s a big ask

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which is why Labour and others are trying to stick all this shit on the Tories as a party rather than Johnson specifically. Hopefully it works.

Yet offering no solutions to the country's problems in the process, or at least if they are not being anywhere near vocal enough. I mean you still have some people here saying that Sneer played a blinder in not commenting on the strike action despite it being on the mind of basically every working person.

No conviction, no charisma, no empathy for working people.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What a load of sanctimonious tripe

Just because I see a bigger picture and think about more than myself and those immediately connected to me.

You look to improve you. I look to improve everyone.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

A competent non criminal figure in the current Tory party? That’s a big ask

Well before he left that guy who looked like matron still wiped his bottom, Rory Stewart I think, did at least seem not to be a criminal

 

[PVA]

Well before he left that guy who looked like matron still wiped his bottom, Rory Stewart I think, did at least seem not to be a criminal

As Tories go he's pretty good.

Still a tory mind.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I mean really Blair was a snake whose only interest was Blair

the Lib Dems would sleep with Stalin if they had a seat at the top table. They are a slimy bunch of opportunists with not one ounce of principal

Again, the top quote works just as well for Boris, why slimy opportunists without principal works for his party.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Rubbish. Why does anyone buy a house or flat rather than rent ? To better themselves.

To give themselves more money.

That's not the same thing as bettering yourself.

The word you were looking for is enrich.

 

[Grendel]

To give themselves more money.

That's not the same thing as bettering yourself.

The word you were looking for is enrich.

no it’s bettering yourself - having a holiday home is better than not having one and you need money - having a shed load you can give your children is a thing everyone should strive for

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

no it’s bettering yourself - having a holiday home is better than not having one and you need money - having a shed load you can give your children is a thing everyone should strive for

You would I am sure agree that buying a house now is far harder than it was for ADM when he got the opportunity.

 

[Grendel]

You would I am sure agree that buying a house now is far harder than it was for ADM when he got the opportunity.

That wasn’t the argument and if you save while living at home for a while it’s manageable - my oldest daughter now has £50 grand of savings accumulated from living with us for 5 years

 

[David O'Day]

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So just by using these figures alone - it would take all Labour & LD voters plus at least 20% of that Tory vote to defect to keep it in the next GE.

Yes and the tories are less likely to vote labour so the anti tory vote should go to the LD's

James Johnson's polling of Tiverton voters shouldn't many won't go back to the tories while Johnson is in charge.

It's a great result for Labour as it shows they don't have to beat the tories on their own

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That wasn’t the argument and if you save while living at home for a while it’s manageable - my oldest daughter now has £50 grand of savings accumulated from living with us for 5 years

How much rent did you charge?

 

[Grendel]

How much rent did you charge?

none what parent does that - always find that odd to be honest

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

no it’s bettering yourself - having a holiday home is better than not having one and you need money - having a shed load you can give your children is a thing everyone should strive for

Yep that works well doesn't it. We never get entitled, clueless rich kids being given everything on a plate and thinking they're above everyone else because they've got loads of stuff.

Aspiring to make sure your kids can have roof over their head, food in their belly is something to strive for. Giving them the means to have a massive influence regardless of whether they have the abilities or intelligence for it isn't. Because the latter are now making it harder and harder for the former to happen.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

none what parent does that - always find that odd to be honest

Well I paid my dad £350 a month for the time I lived with him while retraining. Not every child has a parent willing to put them up for nothing for years on end and so it's no wonder your daughter could accumulate that much in a 5 year period.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

none what parent does that - always find that odd to be honest

I got charged rent to live at home after I got a job. Way less than it would have cost me to rent on the market though so still a good deal.

I thought you wanted kids to be given a dose of realism and what life is really like rather than being cossetted from it?

 

[Grendel]

Yep that works well doesn't it. We never get entitled, clueless rich kids being given everything on a plate and thinking they're above everyone else because they've got loads of stuff.

Aspiring to make sure your kids can have roof over their head, food in their belly is something to strive for. Giving them the means to have a massive influence regardless of whether they have the abilities or intelligence for it isn't. Because the latter are now making it harder and harder for the former to happen.

Why would I want to give a single penny more than I have to through taxation to some dog poor parasites who be bothered to improve their own lives

Family first

 

[David O'Day]

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So just by using these figures alone - it would take all Labour & LD voters plus at least 20% of that Tory vote to defect to keep it in the next GE.

Also we don't need that swing at a GE, if the swing was repeated at the next GE the LD's would take about 330 tory seats

 

[Grendel]

Well I paid my dad £350 a month for the time I lived with him while retraining. Not every child has a parent willing to put them up for nothing for years on end and so it's no wonder your daughter could accumulate that much in a 5 year period.

Each to their own but I can’t understand that

 

[Grendel]

I got charged rent to live at home after I got a job. Way less than it would have cost me to rent on the market though so still a good deal.

I thought you wanted kids to be given a dose of realism and what life is really like rather than being cossetted from it?

just can’t see why I’d profit off my Iwn children - weird but that’s just my view

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Why would I want to give a single penny more than I have to through taxation to some dog poor parasites who be bothered to improve their own lives

Family first

Well that's clear them isn't it.

No nuance. No thought that sometimes situations can change out of the blue that really affects someone's ability to change their life. Never happens that someone becomes ill and unable to work, or a parent dies leaving the other with a huge amount of cost and responsibility.

Fact is you've been fortunate to not have had the rug pulled from under your feet at any point. What if you'd had a stroke that left you paralysed and unable to work when your kids were just a few years old? Or had a heart attack and died suddenly? Would you daughter have been able to get £50k together then?

For someone who goes on about other people being naive and clueless you seen to do a very very good of it yourself.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Each to their own but I can’t understand that

Well for more contrast, yes I went to the same school as your kids but I suspect unlike them, contributed to my fees through part time work. He gave me the choice of continuing to go to a private school if I paid towards the fees, or he would pay me a similar amount each week to go to a local comp. I chose the private school.

Then in later years lived with my dad who asked for rent which I felt was reasonable considering all he'd paid on my behalf up to that point. I was glad to do it to be honest.

In general most young people can't count on years of rent free living to save up a deposit.

 

[PVA]

My dad paid for my deposit on my first house. I paid him back every penny. He didn't want or expect me to, but I wanted to

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Lib Dems tried to take this down before it could be spotted, but be under no illusions about whose side they're really on

 

[Grendel]

Well that's clear them isn't it.

No nuance. No thought that sometimes situations can change out of the blue that really affects someone's ability to change their life. Never happens that someone becomes ill and unable to work, or a parent dies leaving the other with a huge amount of cost and responsibility.

Fact is you've been fortunate to not have had the rug pulled from under your feet at any point. What if you'd had a stroke that left you paralysed and unable to work when your kids were just a few years old? Or had a heart attack and died suddenly? Would you daughter have been able to get £50k together then?

For someone who goes on about other people being naive and clueless you seen to do a very very good of it yourself.

I honestly don’t see your point. My father died when I was 15 rug pulled then I think

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

just can’t see why I’d profit off my Iwn children - weird but that’s just my view

It wasn't profiting. I come from a single parent family and with a single income she spent years spending every penny just keeping our heads above water, along with the added responsibility of looking after two kids. She worked damn harder than most under incredible pressure so don't give me some bullshit about not being bothered to improve their own lives. When I went to work it was only right I pay towards my upkeep, and even then I got it below cost. I really should have paid more.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sneer not happy that his deputy has a backbone

Rift between Labour leader Keir and Rayner widens after Starmer's deputy backed the rail strikes (msn.com)

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Frankly if we could somehow put to the U.K. you as the voice of the Labour Party it would really be the end wouldn’t it - how’s the Marstons pub that you buy supplies from the guy with the nasty podcast going? He’s banned from Twitter now I see.

I actually also find it very curious you used David O Day as your name. It’s clearly a made up name but who is he? I am genuinely curious.

He managed to make an anagram out of Martin McGuiness.

 

[Tommo1993]

It’s the closest to relevant threads I can find. Have left DHL, with quite a lot of funds in their pension scheme. I have no idea how to transfer my pension. I have a Legal & General account, is it just best to move it to that? Have done a little bit of research but I’m no clearer.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well for more contrast, yes I went to the same school as your kids but I suspect unlike them, contributed to my fees through part time work. He gave me the choice of continuing to go to a private school if I paid towards the fees, or he would pay me a similar amount each week to go to a local comp. I chose the private school.

Then in later years lived with my dad who asked for rent which I felt was reasonable considering all he'd paid on my behalf up to that point. I was glad to do it to be honest.

In general most young people can't count on years of rent free living to save up a deposit.

I always paid my mum rent when I lived at home, I was earning good money, single parent home, so my mum appreciated it even though she was working full time, got all my meals, all my washing done, it was cheap living and enabled me to save for a deposit on my first house while still having a good lifestyle. I also did things like pay for repairs, replace white goods etc. my mum never asked, I just did it because I could. It taught me some valuable lessons about the cost of living also so I was well placed to manage my finances when I did leave home. I also think this was pretty typical for my generation, can’t think of a single mate who didn’t do the same while living at home once working.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s the closest to relevant threads I can find. Have left DHL, with quite a lot of funds in their pension scheme. I have no idea how to transfer my pension. I have a Legal & General account, is it just best to move it to that? Have done a little bit of research but I’m no clearer.

I'd seek some professional financial advice on it if I were you