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clint van damme

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,261
dubed said:
Because these discussions tend to go around and round in circles, with well-made points (e.g. round identity politics and brexit) simply not responded to, and where they are there is the well-honed use of contradiction, responding to tone, and ad hominems, with a nice bit of condescension and passive-aggressiveness tossed into the mix.

And in the vacuum that's created, we get the juvenile posts about the working class being a bunch of racist knobs.
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come on mate, you're clearly a clever guy.
You're telling me why people have had enough of Labour, I'll accept all of it, but if they've had enough of the 'elite' and the 'establishment', why do they think that someone like Duncan Smith or Rees Mogg has their interests at heart?
You can't just keep saying because people keep calling the working class racist. What do the tories offer?
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,262
There's no point.

Moving on
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,263
clint van damme said:
nah. That's not it.
Not saying people aren't aspirational but that's not what the tories offer.
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Do Labour offer working classes an aspiration to middle class private schools for their children and big holidays it is that just for the Labour politicians and union leaders? If everyone achieved this who would vote for Labour? Think about it
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,264
clint van damme said:
come on mate, you're clearly a clever guy.
You're telling me why people have had enough of Labour, I'll accept all of it, but if they've had enough of the 'elite' and the 'establishment', why do they think that someone like Duncan Smith or Rees Mogg has their interests at heart?
You can't just keep saying because people keep calling the working class racist. What do the tories offer?
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Why do you keep voting Labour when it's membership is something like 70% middle class and it's MPs are all rich as fuck like the Tories too?

What's the massive difference here in 2021

It's hardly anti establishment itself
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,265
Evo1883 said:
Why do you keep voting Labour when it's membership is something like 70% middle class and it's MPs are all rich as fuck like the Tories too?
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to be brief, we've had austerity, which is a political ideology not an economic strategy, which has been disastrous, we've seen opportunist cunts take advantage of covid to rinse the public purse, (37 billion track and trace, come on, wake up for fucks sake), I 'm hoping for something different.
I'm personally better off under the tories but I don't think going forward my kids, or more importantly, society will be.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,266
clint van damme said:
to be brief, we've had austerity, which is a political ideology not an economic strategy, which has been disastrous, we've seen opportunist cunts take advantage of covid to rinse the public purse, (37 billion track and trace, come on, wake up for fucks sake), I 'm hoping for something different.
I'm personally better off under the tories but I don't think going forward my kids, or more importantly, society will be.
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I don't care either way , I question myself when I slag them off and still vote for them .

I understand totally why people don't, working class or not
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,267
clint van damme said:
to be brief, we've had austerity, which is a political ideology not an economic strategy, which has been disastrous, we've seen opportunist cunts take advantage of covid to rinse the public purse, (37 billion track and trace, come on, wake up for fucks sake), I 'm hoping for something different.
I'm personally better off under the tories but I don't think going forward my kids, or more importantly, society will be.
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If you were from a working class background worked colloidal hours to get a big house the big car the private education for your children would the Labour Party shake your hand and encourage this ambition?
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,268
Grendel said:
If you were from a working class background worked colloidal hours to get a big house the big car the private education for your children would the Labour Party shake your hand and encourage this ambition?
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Do you think the tories encourage working class aspiration?

Because I don't think they do.
I Spent 15 years working stupid hours, didn't get lthe big car or house or private education for the kids but I've done ok. But I think that's despite the tories not because of them.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,269
Clint has asked about 15 times and no one can answer (or chooses not to).
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,270
People have answered clint , several times

Youre choosing to not listen

If people lives aren't dramatically effected by this tory government on a personal level , as people's attitudes have shifted from the collective to the individual , then all you've got left is wether People like you or not.

And People clearly don't dislike the tories as much as they dislike Labour .

It's In black and white
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,271
No they haven't.

All they've given is reasons why Labour are crap or reasons not to vote Labour, which is fine but not the question being asked.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,272
clint van damme said:
Do you think the tories encourage working class aspiration?

Because I don't think they do.
I Spent 15 years working stupid hours, didn't get lthe big car or house or private education for the kids but I've done ok. But I think that's despite the tories not because of them.
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Er you’ve avoided the question
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,273
PVA said:
No they haven't.

All they've given is reasons why Labour are crap or reasons not to vote Labour, which is fine but not the question being asked.
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This is so frustrating , this is exactly how I think labour MPs talk amongst themselves
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"I don't get it David , they can't stand the things we say or do , why won't they vote for us , what do the tories offer "

Honestly it's mental

They don't offer you , it's as simple as that
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,274
Evo1883 said:
This is so frustrating , this is exactly how I think labour MPs talk amongst themselves
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"I don't get it David , they can't stand the things we say or do , why won't they vote for us , what do the tories offer "

Honestly it's mental

They don't offer you , it's as simple as that
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Are you going to answer the question or not?

If you can't then just say, it's fine.
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,275
PVA said:
Are you going to answer the question or not?
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I have what the actual fuck is wrong with you
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,276
Grendel said:
Er you’ve avoided the question
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Not really, I'd admire aspiration, I think, and hope, Labour do, I don't think the tories encourage it in the working class.

I think they applaud coruption like Matt Hancock and his family rinsing the public purse in a crisis.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,277
PVA said:
Are you going to answer the question or not?
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Tories by a landslide - the answer you need to get used to
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,278
Grendel said:
Tories by a landslide - the answer you need to get used to
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That's not an answer as to why.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,279
clint van damme said:
Not really, I'd admire aspiration, I think, and hope, Labour do, I don't think the tories encourage it in the working class.

I think they applaud coruption like Matt Hancock and his family rinsing the public purse in a crisis.
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The Blair government was mired in corruption
 
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Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,280
clint van damme said:
That's not an answer as to why.
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Because they'd rather vote for anybody but you ... that's why
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,281
Evo1883 said:
I have what the actual fuck is wrong with you
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You've just repeated time and time again what you don't like about Labour.

You haven't said what's so appealing about the tories other than they're not Labour and you're no worse off than you were 12 years ago
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,282
Grendel said:
Tories by a landslide - the answer you need to get used to
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So you can't answer it either, cool.
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,283
PVA said:
You've just repeated time and time again what you don't like about Labour.

You haven't said what's so appealing about the tories other than they're not Labour and you're no worse off than you were 12 years ago
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OK here's a question .

Why do Labour keep losing if the tories are so bad , and why are the working class voting for them in their droves if Labour offer them more
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,284
Evo1883 said:
Because they'd rather vote for anybody but you ... that's why
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Me? I'm not a politician. Weird answer
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,285
Evo1883 said:
OK here's a question .

Why do Labour keep losing if the tories are so bad , and why are the working class voting for them in their droves if Labour offer them more
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Still haven't answered the question...
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,286
clint van damme said:
Me? I'm not a politician. Weird answer
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I was referring to you as in Labour...not you particularly clint mate ffs
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,287
Evo1883 said:
OK here's a question .

Why do Labour keep losing if the tories are so bad , and why are the working class voting for them in their droves if Labour offer them more
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You've literally just asked the question I've asked at least half-dozen times.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,288
clint van damme said:
You've literally just asked the question I've asked at least half-dozen times.
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Fucking amazing
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,289
PVA said:
Still haven't answered the question...
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Answer mine so I can gauge what you think the reason is that Labour keep losing , because if they offer the working class more then why are they leaving them in their droves

You won't accept the fact people genuinely really dislike your MPs and membership ..so what is the answer
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,290
clint van damme said:
You've literally just asked the question I've asked at least half-dozen times.
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So why do you think it is then ? If my answer isn't enough ...what do you think is the reason
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,291
clint van damme said:
That's not an answer as to why.
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Because Labour does not want people to join the middle classes as oddly it’s clue is in the title

It’s consigned to the history books
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,292
Evo1883 said:
OK here's a question .

Why do Labour keep losing if the tories are so bad , and why are the working class voting for them in their droves if Labour offer them more
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Do you think the heavy media bias in favour of the Conservatives helps to contribute to this disdain for Labour you describe?
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,293
Ian1779 said:
Do you think the heavy media bias in favour of the Conservatives helps to contribute to this disdain for Labour you describe?
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No , Labour don't need no help from the media .

Social media is available for Labour MPs to freely make complete twats of themselves on a regular basis

Social media strangely enough seems to coincide with the beginning of Labour's massive unpopularity with the working class .. coincidence?
Hasn't helped for sure
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,294
Ian1779 said:
Do you think the heavy media bias in favour of the Conservatives helps to contribute to this disdain for Labour you describe?
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No not at all - oh sorry Ian it’s intelligent people like you who can sift the bias and brain dead working class zombies who are thicker and read the sun who are influenced

Vote winning argument
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 17, 2021
  • #1,295
Evo1883 said:
Answer mine so I can gauge what you think the reason is that Labour keep losing , because if they offer the working class more then why are they leaving them in their droves

You won't accept the fact people genuinely really dislike your MPs and membership ..so what is the answer
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Jesus christ, just asking clint's question again

And 'my' MPs and membership? I'm not a Labour member. I've voted Labour once in my lifetime.
 
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