Grendel
Well-Known Member
How many working class people were killed by austerity really it’s nonsense
I honestly believe that the worse thing to happen to working class, low paid people in recent times was austerity, it literally killed thousands of them, this is why I struggle with the concept of working class people voting tory.
I can accept the turning away from Labour.
No I agree starmer isn't saying these things and he's actively trying to distance himself from this kind of nonsense... but it's going to take a lot more than him to convince people his party isn't full of itBut Labour aren’t doing that, people on the left are. Or at worst, some weird backbench MPs are. Starmer isn’t out there saying people are privileged.
I’ve just googled a bunch of phrases and can’t find any reference to it from him, the party, or the shadow equalities minister.
Even in the middle of BLM he was anti defund the police and caught flack for calling BLM a “moment” from the left, he never used that type of language.
I’m not saying this as some kind of gotcha, just it’s interesting to me that the language of Corbyn is still connected despite a clearly very conscious decision to move away from it. I wonder what it would take to change perceptions.
How many working class people were killed by austerity really it’s nonsense
You keep saying insane nonsense, yet don’t actually stipulate what any of the insane nonsense is....Stop telling its traditional base how privileged they are and how bad they are then try and get their vote by offering them broadband afterwards
People care about family , jobs , education and security .
The rest of the insane nonsense belongs in the bin ...
Why would I though , I'd put it across in an un articulated way , you'd pick it apart with ease and your level of understanding will still be no betterYou keep saying insane nonsense, yet don’t actually stipulate what any of the insane nonsense is....
Not saying you’re wrong, but what else would’ve caused this? UK death rates have stayed the same since 2011 - Full Fact
Im not even being funny but if your dead your not voting and if your working class and working your not dying and you will only care about you and your family. If you are in the pits if despair and poverty you’ve given up and are disenfranchised and certainly won’t vote for someone who they think is a knight if the realm
How many working class people were killed by austerity really it’s nonsense
Frankly the Labour Party is dead - it’s ceased to exist - the zombie Tory party (which has ceased to be a Tory Party) will govern the country for eternity and this thread proves it
But I actually would like to understand, and not interested in picking apart your points. I have a mum whose pension is going to be short falled when she hits retirement age. When Labour were campaigning for the WASPI women she said it was stupid as it was unrealistic to expect to get what she was entitled to. I can’t fathom that kind of rationale.Why would I though , I'd put it across in an un articulated way , you'd pick it apart with ease and your level of understanding will still be no better
Why would I though , I'd put it across in an un articulated way , you'd pick it apart with ease and your level of understanding will still be no better
But I actually would like to understand, and not interested in picking apart your points. I have a mum whose pension is going to be short falled when she hits retirement age. When Labour were campaigning for the WASPI women she said it was stupid as it was unrealistic to expect to get what she was entitled to. I can’t fathom that kind of rationale.
But I actually would like to understand, and not interested in picking apart your points. I have a mum whose pension is going to be short falled when she hits retirement age. When Labour were campaigning for the WASPI women she said it was stupid as it was unrealistic to expect to get what she was entitled to. I can’t fathom that kind of rationale.
See I couldn't have wrote thisYou can’t deny that a large amount of left wing activists give off the impression of hating anyone who isn’t university educated middle class or non-white/straight. And a fair few MPs and public figures make their name playing to those same people.
There’s a duplicity about it too, as you claim to be for the working man but don’t like the working man, just know what’s best for him. The Tories may be cheating toff cunts who would sell their granny, but at least you know where you stand kinda thing.
See I couldn't have wrote this
See I couldn't have wrote this
This is how many people feel amongst other things yesAm I close?
You can’t deny that a large amount of left wing activists give off the impression of hating anyone who isn’t university educated middle class or non-white/straight. And a fair few MPs and public figures make their name playing to those same people.
There’s a duplicity about it too, as you claim to be for the working man but don’t like the working man, just know what’s best for him. The Tories may be cheating toff cunts who would sell their granny, but at least you know where you stand kinda thing.
In what way was Margaret Thatcher or John Major cheating toff cunts?
Well I mean they are posh ...I could have rested my bollocks on thatchers top lip
She was working class from Grantham - Gove is from a very working class background as is Patel
In what way was Margaret Thatcher or John Major cheating toff cunts?
You say about left-wing activism, but recently we’ve seen people raising concerns about violence towards women, the recent bill the Tories are trying to push through, and more generally concerns around climate change. Are they really things that Labour have to distance themselves from? And if so then what is left for them to stand for other than minimally different governance?You can’t deny that a large amount of left wing activists give off the impression of hating anyone who isn’t university educated middle class or non-white/straight. And a fair few MPs and public figures make their name playing to those same people.
There’s a duplicity about it too, as you claim to be for the working man but don’t like the working man, just know what’s best for him. The Tories may be cheating toff cunts who would sell their granny, but at least you know where you stand kinda thing.
Google them and their background
You say about left-wing activism, but recently we’ve seen people raising concerns about violence towards women, the recent bill the Tories are trying to push through, and more generally concerns around climate change. Are they really things that Labour have to distance themselves from? And if so then what is left for them to stand for other than minimally different governance?
I never win any arguments in the off topic section fuck sake man
I thought most people were in general agreement with your view, just confused about why the Tories are better.
It so frustrating , how can Labour be this far behind these lot seriously...it's like city being 20 points adrift of Wycombe
If I knew that mate. It honestly feels like when we went down to L2 and all thought we’d keep dropping, you just gotta hope Mark Robins shows up.
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