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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #841
fernandopartridge said:
Yet more brilliance

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Don't agree with it, bu if they oppose it accussations of assisting corruption will inevitably be made. Rich coming from a government that's given billions on T&T/PPE to their mates but some people will just lap it up.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #842
EDIT: Removed so I don't get sued.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #843
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Don't agree with it, bu if they oppose it accussations of assisting corruption will inevitably be made. Rich coming from a government that's given billions on T&T/PPE to their mates but some people will just lap it up.
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Oh yes I'm sure an accusation from the minister *checks notes * Robert Jenrick cannot be easily rebuffed. Why aren't whey going on the attack about it instead?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #844
fernandopartridge said:
Oh yes I'm sure an accusation from the minister *checks notes * Robert Jenrick cannot be easily rebuffed. Why aren't whey going on the attack about it instead?
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But it'd be like the anti-semitism thing. Brought up every five minutes on the news but any mention of the Tories anti-Semitism an Islamophobia report was just brushed aside or had them being accused of deflecting from their own problems. Same would happen here, fully aided and abetted by the many rags that are owned by Tory donors.

Every time, even on the supposedly leftie BBC, it's maybe asked once every five interviews so as they can't be accused of ignoring it, it gets deflected away and not followed up on in further questioning.
 

hill83

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #845
Rarely come on this thread but has there been anything on this? Classic Tories.

MPs defeat bid to save leaseholders from huge fire safety bills

Amendments to stop building owners passing on the costs of fixing defects were defeated in a Commons vote
www.theguardian.com
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #846
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Don't agree with it, bu if they oppose it accussations of assisting corruption will inevitably be made.
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The article says 'Anderson has consistently denied wrongdoing and has not been charged'. Is that not been charged as they can't find anything to charge him with or not been charged and the investigation is over as they are two very different things.

Either way I don't see much benefit in Starmer supporting the government taking over. Its only a few weeks since this:

Liverpool mayoral race in chaos as Anna Rothery sues Labour

Party is warned it could lose control of city, as councillor removed from its shortlist takes legal action
www.theguardian.com
not convinced this is going to go down well with Labour voters in Liverpool.
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #847
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
You missed out 'and Oxford' and member of the Bullingdon Club.
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And possible pig fucker
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #848
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But it'd be like the anti-semitism thing. Brought up every five minutes on the news but any mention of the Tories anti-Semitism an Islamophobia report was just brushed aside or had them being accused of deflecting from their own problems. Same would happen here, fully aided and abetted by the many rags that are owned by Tory donors.

Every time, even on the supposedly leftie BBC, it's maybe asked once every five interviews so as they can't be accused of ignoring it, it gets deflected away and not followed up on in further questioning.
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The evidence (some might say circumstantial) against Jenrick actually exists though. The evidence against Liverpool cllrs is supposition so far.

What is the Labour objective in supporting it? If it's just about avoiding being seen to be uncaring about corruption then it really is pathetic.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #849
Ian1779 said:
And possible pig fucker
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Carrie is OK for a posh bird.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #850
fernandopartridge said:
The evidence (some might say circumstantial) against Jenrick actually exists though. The evidence against Liverpool cllrs is supposition so far.

What is the Labour objective in supporting it? If it's just about avoiding being seen to be uncaring about corruption then it really is pathetic.
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To be fair the report is pretty damning about the everyday running of Liverpool council and it is accepted by Liverpool council themselves.


Why would Westminster Labour oppose something that the local party have already accepted?
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #851
David O'Day said:
To be fair the report is pretty damning about the everyday running of Liverpool council and it is accepted by Liverpool council themselves.


Why would Westminster Labour oppose something that the local party have already accepted?
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Replacing one corrupt organisation with another perhaps?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #852
David O'Day said:
To be fair the report is pretty damning about the everyday running of Liverpool council and it is accepted by Liverpool council themselves.


Why would Westminster Labour oppose something that the local party have already accepted?
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If I wanted a whiter than white minister in charge of a corrupt local council, I'd support the employ of Robert Jenrick, he of the government that is currently subject to multiple legal challenges over giving contracts to mates for non-existent PPE etc without comment.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #853
As I said what do they gain for opposing in Westminster something that the local council have already accepted?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #854
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Got some people in the City making complaints that they're having to work 95 hour weeks. Want to have that maximised to 80, which is still a ridiculous number but those in the industry are fighting it.

That's what happens when you get people utterly obsessed with money in charge. Couldn't give a fuck about the toll it takes on people mentally and physically - the £££ makes it all worthwhile.
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Latest on this is that the Goldman Sach's boss thinks it's 'great' they've brought it up with management, but 'if we all go an extra mile' it makes a big difference to performance. Basically, shut the fuck up and get on with it. If anything it sounds like he's asking them to do even more.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #855
David O'Day said:
As I said what do they gain for opposing in Westminster something that the local council have already accepted?
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Not looking like they're accepting an alleged corrupt council in an area that traditionally votes Labour being taken over by an (alleged) corrupt government of a party that has traditionally done a lot of harm to the place.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #856
shmmeee said:
One for the Starmer haters. Labour’s polling vs a year ago. Closed the gap by 15 points during a time the government are handing out free cash to stay at home. Could be worse.

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What's more accurate historically, Britain Elects or YouGov? Because YouGov looks very different. This isn't an argument starter, I can't be arsed with that anymore. Just putting it out there for anyone interested.

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Ian1779

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #857
TomRad85 said:
What's more accurate historically, Britain Elects or YouGov? Because YouGov looks very different. This isn't an argument starter, I can't be arsed with that anymore. Just putting it out there for anyone interested.

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I think Britain Elects report all polls, they sometimes do an amalgamated tracker of all polls but not seen one in a while.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #858
The report into the Liverpool City Council isn't the report most people are waiting to be published.

The Labour Party at the moment is like watching a slow-motion car crash.

However, I do like the idea of putting current and former MPs and councilors on tags to protect the public until they can prove they are not a danger to society. There seems to be a very high rate from this group going through the court system.
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 24, 2021
  • #859
Ian1779 said:
I think Britain Elects report all polls, they sometimes do an amalgamated tracker of all polls but not seen one in a while.
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Theres a few on the front page of their website.

Britain Elects | Substack

Cutting through the noise with Ben Walker. Click to read Britain Elects, a Substack publication with hundreds of subscribers.
www.britainelects.com
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #860
Labour really are a bunch of wet tosspots ...do they ever not abstain from a vote ever ? Its their favourite thing these days ...have no say on absolutely anything

Embarrassing
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #861
Evo1883 said:
Labour really are a bunch of wet tosspots ...do they ever not abstain from a vote ever ? Its their favourite thing these days ...have no say on absolutely anything

Embarrassing
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Apparently it’s forensic... what the electorate secretly want.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #862
Ian1779 said:
Apparently it’s forensic... what the electorate secretly want.
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Yea , we all love trying to guess what our opposition is really about
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 25, 2021
  • #863
Evo1883 said:
Yea , we all love trying to guess what our opposition is really about
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An abstention is generally “I’m not supporting this but i don’t want campaign ads saying I voted against it for the next five years.”

There’s been a bunch of trollish bullshit legislation put through recently portrayed as something it’s not. Anti protest bill as “tough on criminals”, etc. It’s the same tactic Corbyn used: using the Commons as a backdrop for Twitter vids and Facebook ads.

The average non-political person won’t hear about this unless it’s out in front of them on social media I’d wager. It’s similar to Bidens strategy of just ignoring the culture war bullshit and trusting the public to do the same. Time will tell how well it works when you’re not up against Trump.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #864
The Sun confirming its place as the UKs Pravda

 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #865
They should have shut it down at the same time as the News of the World.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #866
Yea i dont think losing the SUN would be a huge problem tbh
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #867
With Tory donors in now in charge of BBC and Ofcom, cancelling TV shows which mock the government, and now this shit with the Sun, we can look forward to never ending propaganda and constant stream of how brilliant the Fuhrer Dear Leader Prime Minister is.

Fuck this government.
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #868
shmmeee said:
The Sun confirming its place as the UKs Pravda

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Don't tell Marr and kuensberg. The jealous rage will ruin their weekend
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #869
No chance of something like the 4 day week coming in here when we have a government whose views are so far behind the times, or more likely who are more concerned about their property owning donors than the health and wellbeing of the workforce.

How out of touch can you be. I don't know anyone who is working from home who is desperate to return to the office. At most people want the option of using an office when necessary but having flexibility to work from home.

People may quit if forced to work from home, Rishi Sunak warns

The chancellor urges firms not to scrap offices altogether, warning employees may leave if they do.
www.bbc.co.uk
Nationwide have the right idea.

Nationwide tells 13,000 staff to 'work anywhere'

The UK's biggest building society says it wants to give employees more control over their lives.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #870
Sunak's interest is the commercial landlords whom his party represents.

That said, I'm getting a bit pissed off with my own employer pursuing a big decrease in office space and potential limitation on days permitted to be spent in the office. I have not agreed to this and don't think a questionnaire they issued during a sunny period last summer is a reliable barometer of staff views on it.
 
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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #871
fernandopartridge said:
Sunak's interest is the commercial landlords whom his party represents.
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Some very big interests in getting us back into the offices, where can be with our "friends", and get our hair cut during the day.

Covid: 'People are tired of working from home'

Canary Wharf expects people to return to the office but may choose home working some of the time.
www.bbc.co.uk

The pressure from developers and large chains relying on disposable incomes will be huge in the months to come, when in fact this is an opportunity to radically change our lives around local communities, reduce carbon emissions (both from transport and supporting infrastructure) and materially increase the quality of our lives.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #872
dubed said:
when in fact this is an opportunity to radically change our lives around local communities
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15 minutes cities (the number sometimes changes but the basic idea doesn't), something that was a hot topic in urbanism even before the pandemic.

Might have posted this before but its worth a watch as a basic intro to the idea but its pretty much self explanatory. Everything you need within 15 minutes of your home.

 
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PVA

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #873
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #874
PVA said:
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Paying for a diet consultant but also £669 on cupcakes!

How do you get a way with charging £864 for a haircut and over £5K at Primark - you could buy the entire store for that. Although that's nothing compared to over £100K on beauty products.

Does that not flag up as dodgy, surely the money is being skimmed off somewhere.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 26, 2021
  • #875
Of course it's dodgy, but that doesn't matter these days. This government is absolutely teflon and just carry out blatant corruption in front of us and no one seems to care.

Patel in particular can do what she likes as she hates foreigners as much as the average Tory voter.
 
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