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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,576
Deleted member 5849 said:
Starmer's seen as Metropolitan Liberal elite however, and that still taps into some people feeling unrepresented through no fault of his own.
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Yeah, he could struggle because of that and I’m sure the Tories will lay the Remainer stuff on thick. If we’re struggling because of Brexit (or more importantly it’s negatively impacting traditional Labour voting areas that voted Tory last time) then that might not cut through much though. I personally believe the next election will be played out more on competence and Johnson will be struggling unless he can turn things round sharpish
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,577
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, he could struggle because of that and I’m sure the Tories will lay the Remainer stuff on thick. If we’re struggling because of Brexit (or more importantly it’s negatively impacting traditional Labour voting areas that voted Tory last time) then that might not cut through much though. I personally believe the next election will be played out more on competence and Johnson will be struggling unless he can turn things round sharpish
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I doubt it'll be Johnson there by that time. Brexit also seems to be stuck in some kind of rut now, where some people will refuse to blame anything on it. And let's face it, if last election Dennis Skinner could be voted out because of Brexit, anything's fair game - if ever there was an MP who was more leave than the current PM, that was one. He'd have gladly voted for us to leave given the chance!

Best they can hope for next election, probably, is slashing the majority and having them and Lib Dems in position to claim seats to tip the balance the election after that - is a depressing thought, but it's too big a majority to turn around in one go, barring a catastrophe.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,578
Grendel said:
They are not already in power for a start
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That's the weirdest argument.

"We can't vote for these people to be in government because they're not already in it. The other lot may have fucked up everything since they've been in, but they're already in power and that's what really matters!"
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,579
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I'm not a Labour supporter.

But tell me exactly what it is that makes Starmer, Rayner, Dodds, Reeves, Nandy, Burnham and Abbott so much worse and unelectable compared to Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Hancock, Patel, Dorries, Truss, Fletcher and Rosindell?
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Pretty disappointing/depressing all round really although maybe a little unfair on Truss, Reeves and Nandy who don’t come across too bad. Burnhams good but not an MP so you’d have to chuck in a Ben Houchen who’s apparently doing a decent job on Teeside.

I’ve said for a while there’s better representatives for both main parties than what’s on their front benches which in recent years have been dictated more by party politics/leader whims than what would be best for the country…thats just wrong in my book
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,580
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
That's the weirdest argument.

"We can't vote for these people to be in government because they're not already in it. The other lot may have fucked up everything since they've been in, but they're already in power and that's what really matters!"
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No it’s because a lot of people are not living in the Dickensian poverty you portray but are just living a life they are comfortable with

Labour offers nothing to these people
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,581
Deleted member 5849 said:
I doubt it'll be Johnson there by that time. Brexit also seems to be stuck in some kind of rut now, where some people will refuse to blame anything on it. And let's face it, if last election Dennis Skinner could be voted out because of Brexit, anything's fair game - if ever there was an MP who was more leave than the current PM, that was one. He'd have gladly voted for us to leave given the chance!

Best they can hope for next election, probably, is slashing the majority and having them and Lib Dems in position to claim seats to tip the balance the election after that - is a depressing thought, but it's too big a majority to turn around in one go, barring a catastrophe.
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Yeah, it is a big majority to turn around. Think there’s some small majorities though and these are strange times ! Agree it will need Lib Dem’s to pick up some traditional Tory seats and probably some kind of coalition/agreement

It will also need a proper positive vision for the future
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,582
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I'm not a Labour supporter.

But tell me exactly what it is that makes Starmer, Rayner, Dodds, Reeves, Nandy, Burnham and Abbott so much worse and unelectable compared to Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Hancock, Patel, Dorries, Truss, Fletcher and Rosindell?
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My personal opinion is that the labour party have more unelectable members than the tories. The rest of the country seem to agree with me.

Granted, they are both pretty shite.
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,583
Grendel said:
No it’s because a lot of people are not living in the Dickensian poverty you portray but are just living a life they are comfortable with

Labour offers nothing to these people
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But many people are living in poverty and the Tories don't give a fuck (nor do you).
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,584
PVA said:
But many people are living in poverty and the Tories don't give a fuck (nor do you).
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Those people tend not to vote labour either and given I’ve probably paid well over half a million in income tax over the last two decades I’ve done by bit for those who won’t work
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,585
Grendel said:
No it’s because a lot of people are not living in the Dickensian poverty you portray but are just living a life they are comfortable with

Labour offers nothing to these people
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Even if Labour offers nothing, it's still more than the Tories, who seem intent to take as much away from them as possible to protect the assets of those that have a lot more. And I'm sure if they felt they could get away with taking more and removing welfare etc. they'd do it in a heartbeat because they'd believe it'd just promote those idle people to be more self-reliant or some other such bollocks. For some of them a return to Dickensian Britain when Britain led the world on the exploitation of the lower classes is a wet dream. At least then the pesky proles knew their place!
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 27, 2021
  • #8,586
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Even if Labour offers nothing, it's still more than the Tories, who seem intent to take as much away from them as possible to protect the assets of those that have a lot more. And I'm sure if they felt they could get away with taking more and removing welfare etc. they'd do it in a heartbeat because they'd believe it'd just promote those idle people to be more self-reliant or some other such bollocks. For some of them a return to Dickensian Britain when Britain led the world on the exploitation of the lower classes is a wet dream. At least then the pesky proles knew their place!
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 28, 2021
  • #8,587
Looks like Liz Truss’ supporters are jockeying her into position to challenge to be the next leader of the conservatives.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 28, 2021
  • #8,588
skybluetony176 said:
Looks like Liz Truss’ supporters are jockeying her into position to challenge to be the next leader of the conservatives.
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You have to laugh or else you'd cry.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Nov 28, 2021
  • #8,589
clint van damme said:
You have to laugh or else you'd cry.
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Of course it would be ridiculous, but would it be any more so than what we currently have?
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 28, 2021
  • #8,590
skybluetony176 said:
Looks like Liz Truss’ supporters are jockeying her into position to challenge to be the next leader of the conservatives.
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She is truly terrible. But you have to wonder if she might be the least shit option.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 28, 2021
  • #8,591
The fact that there can even be a discussion about this says a lot about the state of politics. Add in the fact you could say the same about any party and its no wonder we're in a mess.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,592
Johnson getting a pasting in PMQs so far.

This one could go in here or the Covid thread.

Refuses to deny having a party last December while the rest of us were locked down...




 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,593
wingy said:
Sorry
But I would though.
Filthy.
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At last, a proper thought process in this thread.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,594
Hancock being caught out again.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,595
Skybluefaz said:
Hancock being caught out again.
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Has Jo murdered any foxes recently from his £1 million converted windmill?
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,596
As soon as I saw that post I just knew Grendel would comment on the tweeter and not the content of the story.

Deflection mode: enabled!
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,597
Grendel said:
Has Jo murdered any foxes recently from his £1 million converted windmill?
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this is a far bigger story.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,598
Grendel said:
Has Jo murdered any foxes recently from his £1 million converted windmill?
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Deflector shields set to maximum Captain…
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,599
clint van damme said:
this is a far bigger story.
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It really isn’t. Maugham and Gina Miller are as bitter as fuck about Brexit - it’s only a bigger story if the wider population give a fuck and when it’s from a narcissist like Maugham they will not and don’t
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,600
Ian1779 said:
Deflector shields set to maximum Captain…
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I don’t need to deflect as no one in planet real world cares Ian - out of interest has Sir Keir told Angela about the reshuffle yet?
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,601
In Tory land:

Killing a fox (not breaking any laws) because it was trying to kill your hens = crime of the century

Bunging a few million quid of taxpayers money to your mates = nothing to see here
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,602
Grendel said:
It really isn’t. Maugham and Gina Miller are as bitter as fuck about Brexit - it’s only a bigger story if the wider population give a fuck and when it’s from a narcissist like Maugham they will not and don’t
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Maughams opinion on brexit is irrelevant, he's exposed a minister with his hand in the till misappropriating taxpayers money, I thought youd be furious?

As for killing a fox, I wonder if he found it to be a sexual experience like our PM?
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,603
Grendel said:
It really isn’t. Maugham and Gina Miller are as bitter as fuck about Brexit - it’s only a bigger story if the wider population give a fuck and when it’s from a narcissist like Maugham they will not and don’t
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Yeah no one gives a fuck


Johnson's party loses UK opinion poll lead after sleaze scandal

Boris Johnson's Conservatives have lost their lead in two opinion polls after a growing parliamentary standards scandal prompted almost two thirds of respondents in one survey to say the British prime minister's party was disreputable.
www.reuters.com
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,604
clint van damme said:
Maughams opinion on brexit is irrelevant, he's exposed a minister with his hand in the till misappropriating taxpayers money, I thought youd be furious?

As for killing a fox, I wonder if he found it to be a sexual experience like our PM?
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So this is a criminal matter - is a prosecution pending?
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,605
Grendel said:
So this is a criminal matter - is a prosecution pending?
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Fingers crossed.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,606
clint van damme said:
Fingers crossed.
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no then - just more sabre rattling from a bitter man in a kimono
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,607
Grendel said:
no then - just more sabre rattling from a bitter man in a kimono
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I'm surprised at your flippant attitude to the misuse of public money.
And Blairs never appeared in the Hague but I think we both agree he's still a war criminal.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,608
clint van damme said:
Maughams opinion on brexit is irrelevant, he's exposed a minister with his hand in the till misappropriating taxpayers money, I thought youd be furious?

As for killing a fox, I wonder if he found it to be a sexual experience like our PM?
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“Mr Johnson said he “loved” hunting with dogs, in part because of the “semi-sexual relation with the horse”
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,609
If Hancock being caught with his hands in the till (again) isn't enough to rile up Grendel, how about the story about the Downing Street Christmas party when everyone else was locked down?

If/when the evidence comes out that's going to really damage him (or it should).
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 1, 2021
  • #8,610
clint van damme said:
I'm surprised at your flippant attitude to the misuse of public money.
And Blairs never appeared in the Hague but I think we both agree he's still a war criminal.
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No I think The Hague nonsense was juvenile left wing sixth form drivel and always have

Do you want to discuss boring politics?

We get the PM the public want - as well as the constitution- you really need to understand that Yes because we are morphing into a tribute act to the USA where they really do elect a person to lead rather than a government. Turning elections into personality contests is the whole problem
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 
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