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wingy

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  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,086
If air travel is Vat free in the UK then why is petrol insurance etc subject to it considering most travel is for business/ job related?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,087
PVA said:
This is pretty nuts


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Just had this. Been asked to go to Glasgow next month, plane is far cheaper. Though luckily for the turtles doesn’t line up with my required timings so I’ll be going by train.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,088
This is mental to me. Spent £65bn on subsidising drivers.

 
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wingy

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  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,089
shmmeee said:
This is mental to me. Spent £65bn on subsidising drivers.

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I just don't get why just because the cost of gas goes through the roof they feel like it applies to all other forms of energy production /transport etc

There is no shortage of petrol right?
Of course I'd understand if it were to meet green criteria, I may be conflicting my point Lol
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,090
shmmeee said:
This is mental to me. Spent £65bn on subsidising drivers.

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Hmmmm, ish. Even with the freeze don’t we have one of the highest fuel tax around ?

The problem has been successive governments have used fuel duty, car tax etc as a general public sector spend pot rather than focussing its use on public transport infrastructure, which has only recently started to improve. Most people would happily use decent public transport but the options in most places is poor and/or expensive
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,091
CCFCSteve said:
Hmmmm, ish. Even with the freeze don’t we have one of the highest fuel tax around ?

The problem has been successive governments have used fuel duty, car tax etc as a general public sector spend pot rather than focussing its use on public transport infrastructure, which has only recently started to improve. Most people would happily use decent public transport but the options in most places is poor and/or expensive
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With you here but not sure about the later , people like there own secure personal space , it's unfortunately not in the British psyche to act altruistically in unison, just about everyone feels they're above it and unique in their view and needs
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,092
CCFCSteve said:
Hmmmm, ish. Even with the freeze don’t we have one of the highest fuel tax around ?

The problem has been successive governments have used fuel duty, car tax etc as a general public sector spend pot rather than focussing its use on public transport infrastructure, which has only recently started to improve. Most people would happily use decent public transport but the options in most places is poor and/or expensive
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That’s a very fair point. Numerous times I’ve wanted to go somewhere by public transport, but the wait/cost has put me off. You can’t really start ratcheting drivers if you don’t give them somewhere to move to.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,093
CCFCSteve said:
Hmmmm, ish. Even with the freeze don’t we have one of the highest fuel tax around ?

The problem has been successive governments have used fuel duty, car tax etc as a general public sector spend pot rather than focussing its use on public transport infrastructure, which has only recently started to improve. Most people would happily use decent public transport but the options in most places is poor and/or expensive
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It's almost as if tax doesn't actually fund anything
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,094
Skybluefaz said:
I don't think Magaluf counts as domestic m8
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Badlan did all of his scouting of Magaluf when he was on loan at Chelsea, long before he ever went on loan to Vitesse, it is NOT an overseas destination
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2021
  • #8,095
And the competition to see who is the dumbest member of the cabinet is once again blown wide open

 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 30, 2021
  • #8,096
Looks like climate change is the next campaign for grifters like Farage to make a few quid out of at the expense of others...

The Brexit dark money lobby has a new target – climate change action

Brexit showed that a few ruthless, well-connected people with big money behind them can change history. Now they’re at it again, and the stakes are even higher
www.opendemocracy.net
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 30, 2021
  • #8,097
Also, some figures to show what a farce 'Levelling up' is.

Levelling up to be much worse off than before the Tories came along.

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,098
Maybe if they made these pay tax NI wouldn’t have to go up.

Shell and BP paid zero tax on North Sea gas and oil for three years

Firms defend paying no corporation tax after government handed out billions to energy giants
www.theguardian.com

They’ve paid £44billion in dividends in a period when they’ve paid no corporate tax, had a petroleum revenue tax basically scrapped and claimed £400million in tax relief. Still, at least it reflects in energy bills… er wait, no it doesn’t. #levellingup
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,099
Welcome back

Former Tory MP Rob Roberts can rejoin party after sexually harassing staffer

Roberts will not have Conservative whip restored but will be able to sit as an independent MP in parliament
www.theguardian.com
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,100
PVA said:
Also, some figures to show what a farce 'Levelling up' is.

Levelling up to be much worse off than before the Tories came along.

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Wankers
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,101

Just a perfectly normal front page
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,102
Ian1779 said:
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Fucking hell
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,103
Sick Boy said:
Fucking hell
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Are you not entertained?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,104
Boris is more a Commodus than a Maximus.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,105
The Express really is a joke. I can't imagine how thick you have to be to buy that paper and actually believe what's written in it.
 
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Frostie

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  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,106
Ian1779 said:
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The "Gladiator" that hides in a fridge to avoid tough questions?
 

Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,107
Genuinely terrifying

 
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Warthog

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  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,108
Ian1779 said:
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I think it was the Express that did a fantastic article about our future pm Rishi Sunak yesterday. Really enjoying read recently
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,109
skybluetony176 said:
Maybe if they made these pay tax NI wouldn’t have to go up.

Shell and BP paid zero tax on North Sea gas and oil for three years

Firms defend paying no corporation tax after government handed out billions to energy giants
www.theguardian.com

They’ve paid £44billion in dividends in a period when they’ve paid no corporate tax, had a petroleum revenue tax basically scrapped and claimed £400million in tax relief. Still, at least it reflects in energy bills… er wait, no it doesn’t. #levellingup
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As I've suggested, move tax away from the arbitrary figure that is profit and do it on stuff like dividends and interest.

Never understood why businesses get to use profit to work out tax but people have to have it on gross income. Fucked up thinking.

*Actually, of course I know why. Business people have a lot of political influence. Just mask it in a veneer of 'job creation'
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,110
A piss soaked alcoholic as PM


 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,111
PVA said:
The Express really is a joke. I can't imagine how thick you have to be to buy that paper and actually believe what's written in it.
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So you’re saying that Diana is no longer with us?
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 31, 2021
  • #8,112
Warthog said:
I think it was the Express that did a fantastic article about our future pm Rishi Sunak yesterday. Really enjoying read recently
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Boosh?
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 1, 2021
  • #8,113
FFS


 

Grendel

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  • Nov 1, 2021
  • #8,114
Frostie said:
Genuinely terrifying

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I know. How are they still on 33%?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2021
  • #8,115
PVA said:
FFS


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Proof that the best education money can buy is worthless if you are thick as mince
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2021
  • #8,116
Skybluefaz said:
Boosh?
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Reads like it is his latest dull alt
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2021
  • #8,117
PVA said:
FFS


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Or because growth, expansion and conquest made it too big to control. Also if you invade places and take all it's riches as your own you can hardly be surprised when people in those conquered lands want to move to the place that's taken it.

But to be fair to Boris he's doing a great job of bringing immigration down. Pretty soon no-one will want to come here anyway.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 1, 2021
  • #8,118
Grendel said:
I know. How are they still on 33%?
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Because 39% are thick fuckers.
 

SomersetSB

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  • Nov 1, 2021
  • #8,119
Old Joe living up to his nickname
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 1, 2021
  • #8,120
Scary piece in the express from a think tank yesterday, not a left wing one more economically focused, predicting pretty poor outcome in the years ahead , mostly critical of the amount of spending/borrowing I think.
 
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