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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (75 Viewers)

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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 4:40 PM
  • #60,971
Sick Boy said:
I don't think it is, to be honest. Addiction is incredibly powerful but many people don't take responsibility for their actions/understand it's down to them to change their behaviour.
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With help and support I agree
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:44 PM
  • #60,972
Sick Boy said:
I don't think it is, to be honest. Addiction is incredibly powerful but many people don't take responsibility for their actions/understand it's down to them to change their behaviour.
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The issue is Pete believes people can be cured.

Child abusers like all people who are addicted to unnatural urges are manipulative and want to find a way to carry on with their desires. There will be zero accountability. Even if you can get 10% not to relapse 90% will and all it does is make these people better at covering the way they operate
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:48 PM
  • #60,973
Sky Blue Pete said:
With help and support I agree
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You will still be end up with 9 out of 10 abusers eager and ready again to abuse again which is why they must remain incarcerated for ever or put down
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 4:51 PM
  • #60,974
Grendel said:
The issue is Pete believes people can be cured.

Child abusers like all people who are addicted to unnatural urges are manipulative and want to find a way to carry on with their desires. There will be zero accountability. Even if you can get 10% not to relapse 90% will and all it does is make these people better at covering the way they operate
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I prefer rehabilitated rather than cured and actually with attraction and addiction I completely accept that the urges won’t go away
I am far more interested in people understanding that, owning what they’ve done, understanding why they did it, the impact on the victims and them to work out what they can do to not reoffend
I believe that’s possible for many people involved in addictive behaviour.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 4:52 PM
  • #60,975
Grendel said:
You will still be end up with 9 out of 10 abusers eager and ready again to abuse again which is why they must remain incarcerated for ever or put down
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Well that’s not what we do
It’s also not what the evidence says in other similar countries or even our country for many offences
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:53 PM
  • #60,976
Sky Blue Pete said:
Well that’s not what we do
It’s also not what the evidence says in other similar countries or even our country for many offences
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They just don’t get caught doing it again. Fuck me you are out of your depth
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 4:59 PM
  • #60,977
Grendel said:
They just don’t get caught doing it again. Fuck me you are out of your depth
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Thank you again
I don’t think I am
Where’s your evidence
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:59 PM
  • #60,978
Sky Blue Pete said:
Thank you again
I don’t think I am
Where’s your evidence
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Where’s yours FFS
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 5:06 PM
  • #60,979
Grendel said:
Where’s yours FFS
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I’ve shared the recidivism rates and you say they just don’t get caught
I’ll share again
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 5:11 PM
  • #60,980
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’ve shared the recidivism rates and you say they just don’t get caught
I’ll share again
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Proven reoffending statistics: April to June 2023

www.gov.uk
 

Captain Dart

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  • Today at 5:19 PM
  • #60,981
Grendel said:
No idea - why?
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National Public Radio.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 5:23 PM
  • #60,982
Sky Blue Pete said:

Proven reoffending statistics: April to June 2023

www.gov.uk
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The nativity is astonishing.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 5:34 PM
  • #60,983
Grendel said:
The nativity is astonishing.
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In the government statistics.
Lol
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10509674.2024.2406755#abstract
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 5:39 PM
  • #60,984
Grendel said:
The nativity is astonishing.
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Pioneering project to rehabilitate people who have committed sex offences - Lucy Faithfull Foundation

This month, we launch a trailblazing project to rehabilitate people who have committed sexual offences. Through Circles of Support and Accountability, we’ll be working with people in the West Midlands to help them to not offend again. Each circle includes 4 to 6 trained volunteers from the local...
www.lucyfaithfull.org.uk

I prefer doing what we can to stop people offending to be honest but I’ll challenge what I can to ensure we don’t leave our communities and institutions more at risk than less

Way over 99% of those convicted will be released so why not do something to make their chance of offending less
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 5:40 PM
  • #60,985
Sky Blue Pete said:

Pioneering project to rehabilitate people who have committed sex offences - Lucy Faithfull Foundation

This month, we launch a trailblazing project to rehabilitate people who have committed sexual offences. Through Circles of Support and Accountability, we’ll be working with people in the West Midlands to help them to not offend again. Each circle includes 4 to 6 trained volunteers from the local...
www.lucyfaithfull.org.uk

I prefer doing what we can to stop people offending to be honest but I’ll challenge what I can to ensure we don’t leave our communities and institutions more at risk than less

Way over 99% of those convicted will be released so why not do something to make their chance of offending less
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What’s the percentage of people being raped even reporting it?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 5:46 PM
  • #60,986
Grendel said:
What’s the percentage of people being raped even reporting it?
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Youre saying you’re the expert rather than those that work in the area
Ok

it’s like nicks answer about being friends with violent mates
Instead of saying no he made excuses for their behaviour

Give me evidence that shows you can’t rehabilitate offenders especially those convicted of a sexual offence
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Today at 5:53 PM
  • #60,987
Sky Blue Pete said:
Woah
I’m not arguing with you
One of my biggest issues has been diets and I think it’s a very similar issue
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Slipping up and having a takeaway is again very different to sexually assaulting a child.

I'm not sure why you keep trying to play it down.

Look at that man in Gregg's, bet he has a wank and is eating a sausage roll. Must be the next Ian Huntley.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Today at 5:57 PM
  • #60,988
Sky Blue Pete said:
Youre saying you’re the expert rather than those that work in the area
Ok

it’s like nicks answer about being friends with violent mates
Instead of saying no he made excuses for their behaviour

Give me evidence that shows you can’t rehabilitate offenders especially those convicted of a sexual offence
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What you're getting at, maybe not meaning to is to normalise noncing. Wasn't there a thing set up back in the day?

I've said I've got a mate who was arrested for a scrap outside a night club years ago and it's not comparable to somebody who harms kids, who I know would have backs turned on them, if not a slap.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • 44 minutes ago
  • #60,989
Nick said:
Slipping up and having a takeaway is again very different to sexually assaulting a child.

I'm not sure why you keep trying to play it down.

Look at that man in Gregg's, bet he has a wank and is eating a sausage roll. Must be the next Ian Huntley.
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Gosh move on Nick
We are discussing the 12 step programme ffs
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • 43 minutes ago
  • #60,990
Nick said:
What you're getting at, maybe not meaning to is to normalise noncing. Wasn't there a thing set up back in the day?

I've said I've got a mate who was arrested for a scrap outside a night club years ago and it's not comparable to somebody who harms kids, who I know would have backs turned on them, if not a slap.
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I found it interesting that you would make excuses for their violent behaviour that’s all
You need to get your mind sexual offences
 

Nick

Administrator
  • 42 minutes ago
  • #60,991
Sky Blue Pete said:
Gosh move on Nick
We are discussing the 12 step programme ffs
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And why are you discussing that? So you can play down sex offending.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • 41 minutes ago
  • #60,992
Sky Blue Pete said:
I found it interesting that you would make excuses for their violent behaviour that’s all
You need to get your mind sexual offences
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Where did I say that?

Pete, with all due to respect. The game you're playing to try and "gotcha" doesn't work. Normal people aren't friends with convicted / proven nonces.

You keep trying to spin it like it's a bloke who had a drunken fight. It's fucking weird.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • 26 minutes ago
  • #60,993
Nick said:
And why are you discussing that? So you can play down sex offending.
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Nope grendel said it doesn’t work
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • 26 minutes ago
  • #60,994
Nick said:
Where did I say that?

Pete, with all due to respect. The game you're playing to try and "gotcha" doesn't work. Normal people aren't friends with convicted / proven nonces.

You keep trying to spin it like it's a bloke who had a drunken fight. It's fucking weird.
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I’m absolutely not and I think you’re being mightily defensive
 

Nick

Administrator
  • 22 minutes ago
  • #60,995
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m absolutely not and I think you’re being mightily defensive
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I'm not the one trying to play down people assaulting children and saying it's ok to be mates with them.

How do you really not see what you're writing? Then you have pathetic, childish responses like this.
 
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