Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
Nice climb down by x and musk on grok making images of children
No great loss
Badenochs grown on me a bit. Very thin behind her though, they desperately need some fresh/better talent in that shadow cabinet
Badenochs grown on me a bit.
Took 60K posts but the thread has finally jumped the sharkI like Kemi Badenoch
Took 60K posts but the thread has finally jumped the shark
The idea that Jenrick has had a damascene conversion to Brexit and on immigration is a bit of stretch. When you’re in the public eye, it’s v difficult to change your opinion genuinely without accusations of opportunism.Think Reform, where I presume Jenrick is about to defect to, need to be a bit careful with taking on failed Conservative politicians.
Pretty hard to present yourself as the alternative to the establishment when an ever increasing number in your party are from the government recently voted out.
Yep they only had 10 years on their own after a year it’s time to trust them againTook 60K posts but the thread has finally jumped the shark
I’ve always like how she interviews and communicates her thought processes.She seems to tell it how it is. Admitted Tories made mistakes. Hasn’t fucked about with Jenrick to try to placate the further right of the party. Liked the call of considering banning under 16s from social media.
Admittedly shes no Polanski, Farage or Starmer but compared to how she was performing a year ago she appears to be improving. I don’t think that’s overly controversial
Reform were establishment figures and are just becoming it more and moreThink Reform, where I presume Jenrick is about to defect to, need to be a bit careful with taking on failed Conservative politicians.
Pretty hard to present yourself as the alternative to the establishment when an ever increasing number in your party are from the government recently voted out.
I wouldn’t really call them establishment… outcast Tories, yes. Farage is on record saying he wants a hostile takeover of the Tories.Reform were establishment figures and are just becoming it more and more
Just a disgusting sell out of a manThe man of the people
Exactly, his sole principle is self enrichmentJust a disgusting sell out of a man
Suggestion being it’s not possible to make meaningful change as there are no levers to use I thinkI wouldn’t really call them establishment… outcast Tories, yes. Farage is on record saying he wants a hostile takeover of the Tories.
It’s probably that the Greens will start to poach Labour Left MPs after the next GE if it became apparent that they will supplant Labour. You need some experience of government and the levers of power if you want to be a transformative government of any colour.
It just seems that neither the previous governments no longer know how to ‘get things done’.
I agree on this subject it seems/should be luaded but it needs to be applied across the board anyone who's spouting toxic opinions in society she needs to root out even the one's who's platforms are abusing their position,so maybe she's spotted a trend?No great loss
Badenochs grown on me a bit. Very thin behind her though, they desperately need some fresh/better talent in that shadow cabinet
ForExactly, his sole principle is self enrichment
Embellish things will be the answer!Suggestion being it’s not possible to make meaningful change as there are no levers to use I think
What do you have left then?
Article today in The Times highlighting how kids moving overseas are making more money, having lower costs and a much improved quality of lifeI don't have kids but of the people I know who do have kids around uni age the number who are keen to get out of the country is alarming and I can only see that accelerating if we go back to a Conservative government, or even worse Reform.
And what then? When all the people who can get out do, and I'm not talking about the super rich, I'm talking about the ones who actually do the work and generate the wealth, what happens to the country then. I can't see anything other than continuing decline.
Tbf to Jenrick, he’s been the most repenting of the Tory record in government.So jenrick isn’t the establishment and isn’t stained by his performance over the last 10 years ffs
What do you drink mate ?UK public: give Reform a chance, they can't be any worse!
Farage: Hold my beer
"Repenting" means "seeing what's happening and desperately trying to get on board"Tbf to Jenrick, he’s been the most repenting of the Tory record in government.
You can’t have it both ways, you can’t criticise Reform for having complete unknowns balls up running county councils and then slag them off to try and get Tory figures who’ve been in government.
If Farage followed Rupert Lowe’s advice and ran candidates with ‘little to no experience’ in politics, that’d go disastrously. It’s a popular thing to say, but it goes downhill v quickly.
Before the next election, there needs to be a clear winner in the fight for the centre-right.
I mean it isn't even argued that they sing racist songs and cause trouble. The argument is about what evidence was used to determine it.Well, they're not wrong to be fair to them. They're certainly an alternative!
He resigned in government…"Repenting" means "seeing what's happening and desperately trying to get on board"
Aren’t Reform trying to have it both ways by positioning itself as an agent of change while simultaneously stuffing their ranks with the same Tory and Labour MPs who’ve been at the wheel for the past decade?You can’t have it both ways, you can’t criticise Reform for having complete unknowns balls up running county councils and then slag them off to try and get Tory figures who’ve been in government.
If Farage followed Rupert Lowe’s advice and ran candidates with ‘little to no experience’ in politics, that’d go disastrously. It’s a popular thing to say, but it goes downhill v quickly.
Which Labour MPs have goneAren’t Reform trying to have it both ways by positioning itself as an agent of change while simultaneously stuffing their ranks with the same Tory and Labour MPs who’ve been at the wheel for the past decade?
Also why the sudden aversion to candidates with no experience, I thought your view was that career politicians should make way for private sector whizz-kids? Can’t Reform find enough of them with their dynamite plans for the economy?
Lee Anderson was Labour before he became an MP, but Farage has strongly suggested that a Labour figure is set to join. Seems inevitable at this stage.Which Labour MPs have gone
Aren’t Reform trying to have it both ways by positioning itself as an agent of change while simultaneously stuffing their ranks with the same Tory and Labour MPs who’ve been at the wheel for the past decade?
Also why the sudden aversion to candidates with no experience, I thought your view was that career politicians should make way for private sector whizz-kids? Can’t Reform find enough of them with their dynamite plans for the economy?
You just said “running candidates with little to no experience in politics would go disastrously”, which is it?To answer your question, any party needs to recruit elite talent who have had careers outside of parliament.
It’s a combination, obviously.You just said “running candidates with little to no experience in politics would go disastrously”, which is it?
I would have thought an insurgent party like Reform would have prioritised new/outside voices but apparently not. It seems obvious that Jenrick, Zahawi etc will go straight into high-profile roles within the party.It’s a combination, obviously.
Even if the entire Tory parliamentary party defected, you still another 200-220 MPs. The same logic applies to the Greens too should they be in a position to feasibly form a government.
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