Do you want to discuss boring politics? (28 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Look at how France manage it. It's capped at a low level so it's not exclusionary but equally, stops overconsumption of services.

Continually bringing up the boogeyman of US style, purely privatised healthcare is genuine barrier to reform and risks the long term future of the NHS imo.

For example, I'm happy for prescription style exemptions/refunds be in place for pensioners, children, low/no income individuals.

There’s a separate thing I find interesting about the idea of asking employers to fund PHI instead. Surely the more business friendly approach is to say that the state covers healthcare costs so businesses don’t have to?

Is your thinking that people are spending more time in hospital than medically necessary?

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

There’s a separate thing I find interesting about the idea of asking employers to fund PHI instead. Surely the more business friendly approach is to say that the state covers healthcare costs so businesses don’t have to?

Is your thinking that people are spending more time in hospital than medically necessary?

Employers already do offer PHI, my current role has PHI and my next role does. My view point is to incentivise PHI by scrapping VAT on it and to give tax breaks to businesses, self-employed and individuals who get PHI.

The idea is twofold; expand the private sector and get less people relying on long NHS waiting lists.

Which again makes it all the more stupid that benefits in kind and salary sacrifice schemes are going to taxed more from 2029.

 

[SBT]

Is your thinking that people are spending more time in hospital than medically necessary?

I mean, of course they do in some cases.

There is without a doubt contempt for these people that will inform some people’s feelings on this, but the real question is whether the costs they incur outweigh the costs of dissuading people from seeking medical care that they might actually need.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Employers already do offer PHI, my current role has PHI and my next role does. My view point is to incentivise PHI by scrapping VAT on it and to give tax breaks to businesses, self-employed and individuals who get PHI.

The idea is twofold; expand the private sector and get less people relying on long NHS waiting lists.

Which again makes it all the more stupid that benefits in kind and salary sacrifice schemes are going to taxed more from 2029.

That’s their choice in part made possible by offering inferior pension schemes, but you’re still effectively asking the state to cover health insurance costs through a third party. Why the need for a middle man?

 

[skybluetony176]

About 28 million people attended A&E in the UK last year. Charging people £10 a visit in some moronic idea it will possibly stop 200K possibly attending A&E to improve everyone else’s experience is for the birds. Aside from the fact that 200K is not even trimming around the edges you’re not going to stop 200K because people will still come and pay it. Then there’s the wider issue that poverty and health are intrinsically linked. Here’s a statistic for the experts on here, 14 million. 14 million is the number of people living in the UK with health issues linked to poverty. Now try engaging your brain, not even your heart, just your brain. Is charging £10 a visit going to deter the 200k who don’t need to attend A&E or the potentially 14 million people living in poverty with health conditions and a far higher likelihood of needing A&E.

It boils down to what kind of country you want to live in. A compassionate country with free healthcare or a fucked up place like the US.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

About 28 million people attended A&E in the UK last year. Charging people £10 a visit in some moronic idea it will possibly stop 200K possibly attending A&E to improve everyone else’s experience is for the birds. Aside from the fact that 200K is not even trimming around the edges you’re not going to stop 200K because people will still come and pay it. Then there’s the wider issue that poverty and health are intrinsically linked. Here’s a statistic for the experts on here, 14 million. 14 million is the number of people living in the UK with health issues linked to poverty. Now try engaging your brain, not even your heart, just your brain. Is charging £10 a visit going to deter the 200k who don’t need to attend A&E or the potentially 14 million people living in poverty with health conditions and a far higher likelihood of needing A&E.

It boils down to what kind of country you want to live in. A compassionate country with free healthcare or a fucked up place like the US.

Tonester where have you pulled this 200k figure from?

 

[Grendel]

There’s a separate thing I find interesting about the idea of asking employers to fund PHI instead. Surely the more business friendly approach is to say that the state covers healthcare costs so businesses don’t have to?

Is your thinking that people are spending more time in hospital than medically necessary?

On that basis then you must say that the state to should pensions for everyone and private companies shouldn’t have to?

 

[Grendel]

About 28 million people attended A&E in the UK last year. Charging people £10 a visit in some moronic idea it will possibly stop 200K possibly attending A&E to improve everyone else’s experience is for the birds. Aside from the fact that 200K is not even trimming around the edges you’re not going to stop 200K because people will still come and pay it. Then there’s the wider issue that poverty and health are intrinsically linked. Here’s a statistic for the experts on here, 14 million. 14 million is the number of people living in the UK with health issues linked to poverty. Now try engaging your brain, not even your heart, just your brain. Is charging £10 a visit going to deter the 200k who don’t need to attend A&E or the potentially 14 million people living in poverty with health conditions and a far higher likelihood of needing A&E.

It boils down to what kind of country you want to live in. A compassionate country with free healthcare or a fucked up place like the US.

I think you’ve had a bang on the head Tonester - I suggest you go to A and E

 

[Grendel]

Tonester where have you pulled this 200k figure from?

More to the point how does he correlate that 14 million people visit as they have health issues linked to poverty? Cant they see a GP as they can’t afford the bus fare?

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s incredible when you look at it

NHS England » A&Es under siege from hiccups and ingrowing toenails

NHS England » A&Es under siege from hiccups and ingrowing toenails

www.england.nhs.uk

I think that's NHSE saying "don't blame us for the unending decline of the NHS since we got hold of it"

 

[Grendel]

I think that's NHSE saying "don't blame us for the unending decline of the NHS since we got hold of it"

I must admit the only other time I had to go was in 2001 and it wasn’t great then either