fernandopartridge
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Let's be honest Pete, Labour is in thrall to private equity themselves.
Let's be honest Pete, Labour is in thrall to private equity themselves.All reform contributors
Change, all the talents, competence etc
it's all getting really f*cking embarrassing now.
In my lifetime I can't think of a more universally disliked Prime Minister - Every predecessor in my lifetime has at least had a strong core of supporters to fall back on, Starmer doesn't - the left hate him for not being left enough, the right hate him even moreIt's easily resolved. Reverse the appointment, and reselect from candidates who can be seen as genuinely independent. Of course, that won't happen, and it's more grist to the mill for those who think politicians are all the same.
More evidence that Starmer is an absolute fucking disaster as a leader. Freebies, incompetence, the usual whiff of corruption and cronyism, plus the added bonus of zero charisma (and now paranoia about his own cabinet ministers).
Another useless, hypocritical twat who just wants power for the sake of power.
He’s not helped himself but when we’re in a country that voted Johnson and thinks Farage is the most trusted leader we’re truly fucked and he was from day 1In my lifetime I can't think of a more universally disliked Prime Minister - Every predecessor in my lifetime has at least had a strong core of supporters to fall back on, Starmer doesn't - the left hate him for not being left enough, the right hate him even more
I would be astonished if he leads them into another election
Ironically, Starmer is the most dishonest of the lot. Who do you trust? Polanski? Davey? Corbyn?He’s not helped himself but when we’re in a country that voted Johnson and thinks Farage is the most trusted leader we’re truly fucked and he was from day 1
He’s not helped himself but when we’re in a country that voted Johnson and thinks Farage is the most trusted leader we’re truly fucked and he was from day 1
TrueIronically, Starmer is the most dishonest of the lot. Who do you trust? Polanski? Davey? Corbyn?
The same Ed Davey that served Cameron’s coalition and a party that reneged on its flagship policy in the election.
If you trust any politician, irrespective of what colour rosette they way on election day, it will end in disappointment.
Not for me but I can see why others yesI doubt many people would trust Farage but you can see certainly why Johnson was far more popular than Starmer
Well that's a pretty bleak outlook!If you trust any politician, irrespective of what colour rosette they way on election day, it will end in disappointment.
I think I trusted Blair until marching against the Iraq warWell that's a pretty bleak outlook!
I think I trusted Blair until marching against the Iraq war
I am far too trusting but I don’t think starmer has had a fair crack of the whip and if as a country we prefer a lying clown to a competent administrator woe to us
I’m meaning before the pm jobHow does he seem competent to you
I think I trusted Blair until marching against the Iraq war
I am far too trusting but I don’t think starmer has had a fair crack of the whip and if as a country we prefer a lying clown to a competent administrator woe to us
Never had a chanceI think with Starmer we’ve reached the “shit or get off the pot” stage. Just seems so meandering thus far.
I still think a strong Labour government would deliver the best outcomes for the whole UK and do the most for national unity. Sadly it's been a good 20-25 years since one existedI think I trusted Blair until marching against the Iraq war
I am far too trusting but I don’t think starmer has had a fair crack of the whip and if as a country we prefer a lying clown to a competent administrator woe to us
Have you never heard the saying that ‘all political careers end in failure?’Well that's a pretty bleak outlook!
The Labour Party is from a bygone era. Back in Blair’s years you had genuinely working class MPs who were generally small ‘c’ conservative socially but economically socialist.I still think a strong Labour government would deliver the best outcomes for the whole UK and do the most for national unity. Sadly it's been a good 20-25 years since one existed
19 years of the 20th century was a labour governmentI still think a strong Labour government would deliver the best outcomes for the whole UK and do the most for national unity. Sadly it's been a good 20-25 years since one existed
Is that a recent book? Worth a read?The Labour Party is from a bygone era. Back in Blair’s years you had genuinely working class MPs who were generally small ‘c’ conservative socially but economically socialist.
The takeover of the Labour Party by the metropolitan elite has its downfall. I strongly doubt the Brexit voting blue collar worker will ever return to the Labour Party. The party has despised this kind of voter since the 2000s and historians will look at Brown’s “bigoted woman” comment as the beginning of the end.
Paul Embery covered this v well in his book ‘Despised’.
How did that quote come about again,by that I mean why?The Labour Party is from a bygone era. Back in Blair’s years you had genuinely working class MPs who were generally small ‘c’ conservative socially but economically socialist.
The takeover of the Labour Party by the metropolitan elite has its downfall. I strongly doubt the Brexit voting blue collar worker will ever return to the Labour Party. The party has despised this kind of voter since the 2000s and historians will look at Brown’s “bigoted woman” comment as the beginning of the end.
Paul Embery covered this v well in his book ‘Despised’.
You say that, Jeremy Corbyn in 2017 accepted Brexit and got over 40% of the vote running on left wing populism.The Labour Party is from a bygone era. Back in Blair’s years you had genuinely working class MPs who were generally small ‘c’ conservative socially but economically socialist.
The takeover of the Labour Party by the metropolitan elite has its downfall. I strongly doubt the Brexit voting blue collar worker will ever return to the Labour Party. The party has despised this kind of voter since the 2000s and historians will look at Brown’s “bigoted woman” comment as the beginning of the end.
Paul Embery covered this v well in his book ‘Despised’.
Published in 2020, I liked it but Paul Embery was my gateway drug to more conservative thinking.Is that a recent book? Worth a read?
You say that, Jeremy Corbyn in 2017 accepted Brexit and got over 40% of the vote running on left wing populism.
What has always ground my gears is that Labour sacrificed itself in Scotland to keep the union intact, and has been portrayed as an unpatriotic party ever since. When the truth is that the Conservative and Unionist Party have done more to destabilise the union than Sinn Fein, the SNP or Plaid Cymru put together ever have.
19 years of the 20th century was a labour government
It’s probably cause they’re always not up to scratch
Then arose from the ashes in the last 90’sWell they were not really able to get elected until the 1920's - the war was coalition really.
Labour destroyed itself in the 70's
I should think that any party which stands across Britain would give more of a shit about the union, unless actually what you're suggesting is we should pack it all in.Labour needs Scottish MPs to form a majority government, it makes total sense for them to ‘save the union’.
Then arose from the ashes in the last 90’s
HarshAh yes with the hard left Sir Anthony Charles Lynton Blair - almost as liberal as Alexander Boris De Pleffel Johnson - but less so. The only difference was that Blair had the sense to realise his lack of intellect and attention span and appointed a chancellor with a brain. Starmer has employed an inept retard abd comtinues to back the imbecile.
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Not at all, far from breaking up the Union, Brexit was implicitly saved it. The nationalists in Scotland and Wales can’t credibly argue that they’ll join the EU because that would mean hard borders with England. Which is just not realistic.I should think that any party which stands across Britain would give more of a shit about the union, unless actually what you're suggesting is we should pack it all in.
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