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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 3:47 PM
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rob9872 said:
Bloody hell Pete, as a protest vote I understand it, but they really are scraping the bottom.
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More than reform really?
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 3:47 PM
  • #58,487
Mucca Mad Boys said:
What happens in the public sector if these people don’t deliver? In the private sector, they get sacked.
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Pretty sure public sector workers get sacked too.

We’ve moved from the original argument of “public sector workers don’t make consequential business decisions” to “public sector workers do make the same decisions, they just aren’t as productive”. Spare us another essay and let us know when you’ve decided where the goalposts are going to sit first.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 3:51 PM
  • #58,488
SBT said:
Pretty sure public sector workers get sacked too.

We’ve moved from the original argument of “public sector workers don’t make consequential business decisions” to “public sector workers do make the same decisions, they just aren’t as productive”. Spare us another essay and let us know when you’ve decided where the goalposts are going to sit first.
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If Grendel is Mark Francois I'm picturing that MMB is Grant Shapps
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 3:52 PM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
If Grendel is Mark Francois I'm picturing that MMB is Grant Shapps
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I’ve always pictured you as Alan Carr if I’m honest
 
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rob9872

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  • Today at 3:53 PM
  • #58,490
Sky Blue Pete said:
More than reform really?
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Nope. Equal. Greens and Your Party the same. All would be a car crash.

As much as I'm not a fan of Labour and particularly this lot, they have a level of experience and knowledge that can't be done on the fly. If the main two cant get it right with tools, funding, history, experience etc etc then I xant see others making a better fist of it. It's why I'm really struggling for the next vote at present. I hope the Conservatives come back stronger, but I cant see it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 3:55 PM
  • #58,491
Grendel said:
I’ve always pictured you as Alan Carr if I’m honest
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Yes I remember you saying that before. Tom Watson is the better comparison, a morbidly obese guy turned merely overweight
 
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rob9872

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  • Today at 3:56 PM
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Grendel said:
I’ve always pictured you as Alan Carr if I’m honest
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In the past he's described himself as overweight and ginger so I have more of a 90s Mick Hucknall in my head for you @Brighton Sky Blue - probably way off the mark.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 3:56 PM
  • #58,493
SBT said:
Pretty sure public sector workers get sacked too.

We’ve moved from the original argument of “public sector workers don’t make consequential business decisions” to “public sector workers do make the same decisions, they just aren’t as productive”. Spare us another essay and let us know when you’ve decided where the goalposts are going to sit first.
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You seem very triggered by this
 
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rob9872

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  • Today at 3:57 PM
  • #58,494
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes I remember you saying that before. Tom Watson is the better comparison, a morbidly obese guy turned merely overweight
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Ah ok then nothing like my image lol
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 3:58 PM
  • #58,495
rob9872 said:
Ah ok then nothing like my image lol
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Physical appearance wise imagine Ed Sheeran but with better facial hair, fashion sense and above all else, a better voice
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:00 PM
  • #58,496
Grendel said:
You seem very triggered by this
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Can you just fast forward to the inevitable Basildon Gazzette gag?
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:00 PM
  • #58,497
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Physical appearance wise imagine Ed Sheeran but with better facial hair, fashion sense and above all else, a better voice
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I was actually once told I was the spitting image of Sam Allardyce which given he’s over 10 years older wasn’t entirely flattering
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 4:00 PM
  • #58,498
Grendel said:
You seem very triggered by this
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Don’t worry yourself, we’re just having a conversation.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:02 PM
  • #58,499
Grendel said:
I was actually once told I was the spitting image of Sam Allardyce which given he’s over 10 years older wasn’t entirely flattering
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For you it's a close call between Nick Ferrari, Jim Davidson and Mark Francois. All have the same general appearance and mischievous look which I assume you adopt when up to mischief on here
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 4:02 PM
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Grendel said:
I was actually once told I was the spitting image of Sam Allardyce which given he’s over 10 years older wasn’t entirely flattering
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I’m not saying I picture you as being fat, but you did once claim that Masterchef was responsible for £2 billion in revenue a year
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:05 PM
  • #58,501
SBT said:
I’m not saying I picture you as being fat, but you did once claim that Masterchef was responsible for £2 billion in revenue a year
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@Mucca Mad Boys and who says that the public sector isn't productive?
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 4:07 PM
  • #58,502
Brighton Sky Blue said:
For you it's a close call between Nick Ferrari, Jim Davidson and Mark Francois. All have the same general appearance and mischievous look which I assume you adopt when up to mischief on here
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Low centres of gravity too
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 4:08 PM
  • #58,503
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If Grendel is Mark Francois I'm picturing that MMB is Grant Shapps
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Ah tiny little Mark, he holds such gravitas


 
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StrettoBoy

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  • Today at 4:09 PM
  • #58,504
fernandopartridge said:
This government was the party of the change remember
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Sensibly they didn't promise that things would change for the better.

 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 4:11 PM
  • #58,505
Brighton Sky Blue said:
This brings me back to something you dismissed in an earlier post. How do you measure a teacher's productivity? A nurse's?

You can't apply a profiteering mentality to running a school, hospital or a care home. Well you can try, and we've seen how it ends up.
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On the macro level, the public sector produces less of it does and is measured on than pre-covid. Considering the technological advancements in the workplace, that tells you something.

So we can go around in circles talking about how to measuring what nurses/teachers produce… the bottom line is that the amount we’re expanding the public sector, we’re getting relatively zero gain.

I can see this is personal to you because you’re a teacher. No one is really questioning frontline staff, it’s more the expansion of the middle management and things like the civil service who are producing less. To go after an easy target, NHS trusts in 2022-24 (whenever it was) was hiring ‘Directors of DEI’ on 5 figure salaries in the middle of an NHS staff and waiting list crisis.

These rising costs have obvious implications on public services.

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If Grendel is Mark Francois I'm picturing that MMB is Grant Shapps
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Wow, that’s mean and my feelings are hurt.

Grendel said:
You seem very triggered by this
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The denialism and deflection on this topic is indicative of government employees as a whole.

There are plenty of civil servants on record saying they do next to nothing all day. Let’s ignore the swelling size of the public sector payroll and flatlining productivity.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:14 PM
  • #58,506
Mucca Mad Boys said:
On the macro level, the public sector produces less of it does and is measured on than pre-covid. Considering the technological advancements in the workplace, that tells you something.

So we can go around in circles talking about how to measuring what nurses/teachers produce… the bottom line is that the amount we’re expanding the public sector, we’re getting relatively zero gain.

I can see this is personal to you because you’re a teacher. No one is really questioning frontline staff, it’s more the expansion of the middle management and things like the civil service who are producing less. To go after an easy target, NHS trusts in 2022-24 (whenever it was) was hiring ‘Directors of DEI’ on 5 figure salaries in the middle of an NHS staff and waiting list crisis.

These rising costs have obvious implications on public services.


Wow, that’s mean and my feelings are hurt.


The denialism and deflection on this topic is indicative of government employees as a whole.

There are plenty of civil servants on record saying they do next to nothing all day. Let’s ignore the swelling size of the public sector payroll and flatlining productivity.
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Ah, I see, it's the civil service you want to cut down to size. Who and how many are you firing?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 4:14 PM
  • #58,507
Brighton Sky Blue said:
@Mucca Mad Boys and who says that the public sector isn't productive?
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Since we’re exchanging playful barbs… Do you even understand the difference between revenue and profit?
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:16 PM
  • #58,508
After another car crash interview by David Lammy surely it’s time for him to leave to the back benches
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:16 PM
  • #58,509
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Since we’re exchanging playful barbs… Do you even understand the difference between revenue and profit?
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I mean this is a bit outside of my areas of expertise, but I just assumed that Gregg Wallace and John Torode weren't on £1 billion a year each.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:17 PM
  • #58,510
PVA said:
Ah tiny little Mark, he holds such gravitas


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I hate to break this to you but I’m the same height as your beloved Mr Starmer and younger

Just please don’t rim me every day
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 4:20 PM
  • #58,511
Grendel said:
I hate to break this to you but I’m the same height as your beloved Mr Starmer and younger

Just please don’t rim me every day
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I never said anything about your height. You're so very weird.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 4:26 PM
  • #58,512
Brighton Sky Blue said:
For you it's a close call between Nick Ferrari, Jim Davidson and Mark Francois. All have the same general appearance and mischievous look which I assume you adopt when up to mischief on here
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10000% Jim Davidson
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 4:26 PM
  • #58,513
PVA said:
I never said anything about your height. You're so very weird.
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You had a height issue with Sunak I recall? Little Rishi?
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 4:29 PM
  • #58,514
Ccfcisparks said:
10000% Jim Davidson
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As you claim to be a woman I’m guessing your trying to be the Miranda Hart of SBT but lacking in the comedy delivery
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:29 PM
  • #58,515
Grendel said:
After another car crash interview by David Lammy surely it’s time for him to leave to the back benches
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Not since the days of Chris Pincher has a politician’s surname described him so well
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 4:35 PM
  • #58,516
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Physical appearance wise imagine Ed Sheeran but with better facial hair, fashion sense and above all else, a better voice
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Could be worse, one of my mates said "what have you been up to Levi", when Levi Bellfield got locked up insinuating I looked like him. Not the most flattering comparison.
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 4:36 PM
  • #58,517
Grendel said:
As you claim to be a woman I’m guessing your trying to be the Miranda Hart of SBT but lacking in the comedy delivery
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Brutal!
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:40 PM
  • #58,518
rob9872 said:
Could be worse, one of my mates said "what have you been up to Levi", when Levi Bellfield got locked up insinuating I looked like him. Not the most flattering comparison.
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Nah I've always pictured you as Jeremy Clarkson
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 4:42 PM
  • #58,519
Grendel said:
You had a height issue with Sunak I recall? Little Rishi?
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So I mentioned Francois' and Sunak's height then, not yours, so no idea what you're going on about.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 4:43 PM
  • #58,520
PVA said:
So I mentioned Francois' and Sunak's height then, not yours, so no idea what you're going on about.
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Is lack of height a weakness as a political leader then?
 
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